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Originally posted by Guynemer
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Why? It's perfectly coherent with the damning pieces of evidence reported by the Telegraph. You know, those ultra secret papers they found in the rubble of Iraqi buildings..."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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The point conveniently ignored by various GOP talking heads on damage control duty is that a site like this needed to be secured and because of the small invasion force and the failure to order any units to secure the place, it wasn't secured. It doesn't matter if the HE was grabbed before or after the arrival of coalition forces, it was a failure in the leadership's planning. The fact we knew about the place beforehand makes the bungling even worse.
And for these paid liars to accuse Kerry of criticising the ground troops is both illogical and
But that's what Bush 1 did. When the #2 turret of the battleship Iowa blew up about 15 years ago around the first war, the Pentagon brass announced that Clayton Hartwig, one of the sailors killed in the explosion was a jilted homosexual who committed suicide by sabotaging the firing mechanism. That cover story was in all the papers within days of the accident, but not much notice to the actual report issued a few months later indicting "bad powder". Now, Bush may not have made up that BS but he sure sanctioned it by doing nothing to publicly chastise those responsible or apologise to the Hartwig folks...
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Oh yeah, forgot all the other weapons there. Hell, it sounds like a massive stockpile and now our guys are being killed by those weapons. It was a mistake, a big one... I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise... Maybe that's why we're hearing the GOP talking point on TV about "Kerry is insulting our soldiers". I swear, I never thought I'd say this, but the GOP has run the nastiest campaign I've ever seen.Comment
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAOriginally posted by The diplomat
There is plenty of evidence!
In fact, according to the Washington Times, Russian troops shipped the explosives to Syria before the Iraq war.
Who writes this stuff?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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If there's any doubt left:
Oct. 27 - Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in the days after American troops swept through the area in early April 2003 on their way to Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions and even dismantling heavy machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional security chief said Wednesday.
The Iraqis described an orgy of theft so extensive that enterprising residents rented their trucks to looters. But some looting was clearly indiscriminate, with people grabbing anything they could find and later heaving unwanted items off the trucks.
Two witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa - one a chemical engineer and the other a mechanic - and the third was a former employee, a chemist, who had come back to retrieve his records.
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Hmm...lotta chemistry goin on thereTwo witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa - one a chemical engineer and the other a mechanic - and the third was a former employee, a chemist, who had come back to retrieve his records.Comment
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Bush's answer to Kerry's criticism of this debacle?
The president accused his rival of "wild charges" unbecoming a man with ambitions for the Oval Office.
If pointing out that this was a big Bushie screw-up constitutes "wild charges," you gotta wonder what to call claiming that Saddam had WMD and links to 9/11.
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Yeah, Bush's campaign has been even more of a parody of itself in the past month or so. If Kerry had his way, Saddam would've had the explosives and he could've shared them with the terrorists!"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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We lost the WMD! We lost OBL! But we got Saddam 
And his broken down country
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What pisses me off, is that four months after 9/11 at a press conference, Bush outright said that he was not at all concerned about Osama Bin Laden.
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Dangit, I knew they invented time travel in the future before us!Originally posted by The diplomat
There is plenty of evidence!
In fact, according to the Washington Times, Russian troops shipped the explosives to Syria before the Iraq war.
Those time-traveling Russian troops can be anywhere they want at any time they want!
We're doomed. Next they'll bring back Lenin!
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The Bush/GOP response to Kerry's attack over this issue is downright hilarious. Paraphrasing the new slogan, you can't jump to conclusions without the facts and be CinC. That's how we got into Iraq, a CinC who jumped to conclusions without the facts.
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This is getting more bizarre by the minute, now for all intents and purposes there is no RDX comparatively speaking
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Oct. 27, 2004 — Iraqi officials may be overstating the amount of explosives reported to have disappeared from a weapons depot, documents obtained by ABC News show.
The Iraqi interim government has told the United States and international weapons inspectors that 377 tons of conventional explosives are missing from the Al-Qaqaa installation, which was supposed to be under U.S. military control.
But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.
The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing — presumably stolen due to a lack of security — was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.
But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over 3 tons of RDX was stored at the facility — a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.
The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.
The missing explosives have become an issue in the presidential campaign. Sen. John Kerry has pointed to the disappearance as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war. The Bush camp has responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives or munitions have been recovered or destroyed in Iraq.
Another Concern
The IAEA documents from January 2003 found no discrepancy in the amount of the more dangerous HMX explosives thought to be stored at Al-Qaqaa, but they do raise another disturbing possibility.
The documents show IAEA inspectors looked at nine bunkers containing more than 194 tons of HMX at the facility. Although these bunkers were still under IAEA seal, the inspectors said the seals may be potentially ineffective because they had ventilation slats on the sides. These slats could be easily removed to remove the materials inside the bunkers without breaking the seals, the inspectors noted."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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That's probably true, it still doesn't excuse the failure in planning though. I'd like to know if this was a pattern or an aberation, I mean, were alot of our forward deployed troops ordered to remove Saddam's regime before trying to secure weapons that might be used against us? The guy in charge of the 101st unit, Anderson I think, said they didn't even know what the place was before taking a look around and moving on to Baghdad. Oh well, fog of war....or Bush Fog as opposed to Boss Hog.The Bush camp has responded that more than a thousand times that amount of explosives or munitions have been recovered or destroyed in Iraq.Comment
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