Convince me to vote for Kerry

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by MrFun

I don't have any serious problem with GAME hunting.

Are you are a real leftie? Cause if you were, you'd care that innocent animals were being hunted and killed purely for recreation.

I also do not have any serious problem with Kerry identifiying himself as a Catholic, and explaining how he will not force his own religion's morals on all Americans.

Well, Kerry said that he would take his faith to the white house if elected. If he is going to bring his faith into the white house, how do you know that his faith won't influence his policy decisions?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by The diplomat


Are you are a real leftie? Cause if you were, you'd care that innocent animals were being hunted and killed purely for recreation.



Well, Kerry said that he would take his faith to the white house if elected. If he is going to bring his faith into the white house, how do you know that his faith won't influence his policy decisions?

He's a Democrat -- it's very unlikely he has any ties with the religious right for one thing.

Seoncdly, I doubt he was bltantly lying in the last presidential debate when he forthrightly stated that he would not force his Catholic morals on all Americans.


And you really have a strange outlook on the world. For some reason, you equate game hunting with only conservatives.
It's only animal rights activists who are extremely leftist, who protest any form of hunting.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The diplomat
Are you are a real leftie?

No, he's a liberal, i.e., a centrist.

I'm a real leftie, and I don't oppose hunting either, as long as the kills are eaten.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun



I have been gone all day in Springfield, doing research for my thesis.

In spite of the tentative, positive changes with states' rights in recent years, because of its much longer history of states' rights have been used to beat down minority groups, I still believe that the federal government can provide stronger protection of equal rights than individual states. This is part of my liberal outlook.

Another part of my liberal outlook is that the poor cannot pull themselves up by their own bootstraps if they do not have bootstraps to pull themselves up with, in the first place. Again, the federal government has more resources available to tackle poverty, which is essentially, a nationwide, chronic problem rather than state-by-state anyway. When states take on separate iniatives that complement federal programs, that's great too, in my book. People who are lazy and want to misuse the welfare system do not deserve any help until they get off their asses -- but the people that try to go by the rules and still fall flat on their face definitely deserve temporary assistance.

Since I share the same views, does that make you a radical right winger too? These ideas are pure Republican Party. The left wants a lot more than simply providing for equal rights and a social safety net, they want socialism, the end goal of which is economic equality for all. You do not share that goal, apparently. So I find it strange that you would align yourself with the radical left by calling yourself a liberal.

[Ned]

Originally posted by The diplomat
All you lefties, how does it make you feel to see Kerry walking around in camouflage and hunting gear killing innocent birds, or using the name of God more often than Bush?

You fail to undestand that these birds were right-wing hawks.

[MrFun]

I'm not of the radical left -- but I am still liberal.

[Ned]

Originally posted by child of Thor
Convince me to vote for Kerry

Anyone in bed with the neo-conservities has some serious anti-freedom agenda's going on

Totalitarians calling the pro-liberty neocons this? That is a laugh.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident

Kerry will be more moderate when he's elected president. It's a given. Just as Clinton was. He may have supported gun control in the past, but he won't now- except for cleaning up assault rifles and gun show loopholes- which nearly everyone supports. It's political suicide to try to get rid of guns.

You forget that Kerry has a long history and is the most left Senator in Congress. There is nothing to support your thesis that he will be a moderate. Nothing.

Clinton after all was a Southern Democrat. Southern Democrats have a long history of being moderates. Except for Carter.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun


I also do not have any serious problem with Kerry identifiying himself as a Catholic, and explaining how he will not force his own religion's morals on all Americans.

Democrats may not have a problem with this. Catholics, meaning REAL Catholics, do.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
He's a Democrat -- it's very unlikely he has any ties with the religious right for one thing.

Seoncdly, I doubt he was bltantly lying in the last presidential debate when he forthrightly stated that he would not force his Catholic morals on all Americans.

Catholics who believe abortion is murder are not automatically assigned to the radical right wing?

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No, he's a liberal, i.e., a centrist.

I'm a real leftie, and I don't oppose hunting either, as long as the kills are eaten.

A commie is not opposed to killing, so long as the one killed favors freedom.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
I'm not of the radical left -- but I am still liberal.

Then so am I.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Ned


A commie is not opposed to killing, so long as the one killed favors freedom.

Ned,
Communism does not equal oppression. Your brand of democracy does not equal freedom. I am convinced that you really don't give a **** about democracy. So why are you so hard on Communism. The communist governments of the past seem to fit closer to your true ideology.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ned


Catholics who believe abortion is murder are not automatically assigned to the radical right wing?

No, they're not. Bush has political ties with religious right organizations -- Kerry does not have such ties.

[Kuciwalker]

Ned, your use of the word communism is very different from any of the generally accepted meanings of the word on this board.