Convince me to vote for Kerry

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pax

Ned,
Communism does not equal oppression. Your brand of democracy does not equal freedom. I am convinced that you really don't give a **** about democracy. So why are you so hard on Communism. The communist governments of the past seem to fit closer to your true ideology.

PAX, if you equate totalitarianism with freedom, and economic equality with lack of oppression, then communism is the only form of government that is free and in which there is no oppression.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Ned


PAX, if you equate totalitarianism with freedom, and economic equality with lack of oppression, then communism is the only form of government that is free and in which there is no oppression.

I do not equate communism with totalitarianism or oppression. I also only equate democracy with every citizen having the opportunity to vote. That vote could be used for evil just as a communist system could be used for evil. I'm willing to bet that democracy has oppressed and killed more people than communism has even had the opportunity to. Whole cultures and races have been virtually wiped out under democratic countries. It's not the system that make it bad it's the people. You scare me no matter what you claim your preferred political system to be.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pax
I'm willing to bet that democracy has oppressed and killed more people than communism has even had the opportunity to.

I wouldn't take that bet, unless you include the effects that actual "democracies" have had upon the rest of the world, such as in Africa, despite Africa being realtively free of democracy itself.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pax

I do not equate communism with totalitarianism or oppression. I also only equate democracy with every citizen having the opportunity to vote. That vote could be used for evil just as a communist system could be used for evil. I'm willing to bet that democracy has oppressed and killed more people than communism has even had the opportunity to. Whole cultures and races have been virtually wiped out under democratic countries. It's not the system that make it bad it's the people. You scare me no matter what you claim your preferred political system to be.

I have a hard time understanding your post because I have no idea what you are talking about -- destroying whole cultures and races? Which democratic countries did that?

[Arrian]

Just off the top of my head, Ned, I'd say the United States of America did a pretty good job on the Native Americans.

-Arrian

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Arrian
Just off the top of my head, Ned, I'd say the United States of America did a pretty good job on the Native Americans.

-Arrian

And we did a damn good keeping blacks down too.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Arrian
Just off the top of my head, Ned, I'd say the United States of America did a pretty good job on the Native Americans.

-Arrian

Where does Indian culture persist: the US or Mexico?

The Brits and the Americans fought wars on and off for three hundred years with the natives.

Why?

[Japher]

The Brits and the Americans fought wars on and off for three hundred years with the natives.

...and the French.

We did it for the beeds! Those wars were for beeds!

[Pax]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I wouldn't take that bet, unless you include the effects that actual "democracies" have had upon the rest of the world, such as in Africa, despite Africa being realtively free of democracy itself.

Che,
I do include Africa but I probably don't have to.
Ned,
Open your history book.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun



And we did a damn good keeping blacks down too.

We?

We defeated the South.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Japher


...and the French.

We did it for the beeds! Those wars were for beeds!

Well, the Spanish converted them and made them good Catholics.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pax

Che,
I do include Africa but I probably don't have to.
Ned,
Open your history book.

PAX, get real.

[Pax]

Ned,
I'm going to spend the globe for you.

[Japher]

Why didn't the Americans inslave the native Americans? Wouldn't that of been a lot cheaper than the fancy imports?

[Pax]

http://www.history-compass.com/Pilot/pacific/AusPac_GenocideArticle.htm

http://www.serendipity.li/wod/hongkong.html

Ned,
These are just 2 examples of democracy in action. You can travel the globe and notice the absence of the original inhabitants and chalk it up to the gift of democracy. I joke once again, it's not because the country was a democracy that these things happened. It's because people who think like you were in charge of the democratic countries.