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We spend so much time on the eternal fate of souls because Christ saw this as of primary importance. Christ's earthly mission centered upon this goal, even as he helped people here on Earth.
All we have here are shadows of the real thing. You are right that we should strive for true happiness which we will only find in Heaven and not on Earth.
What good is it to temporarily alleviate suffering if it means condemning a soul to eternal suffering in Hell?
And I don't think God would create a hell. Eternal damnation is too harsh a punishment for any worldly deed. And anway, nothing is completely a person's fault. Even the worst murderers become that way because of conditions around them (abusive parents, etc.) or because there is something wrong with them. I don't see how eternal damnation would be justifiable, and how does it do any good? Damning someone is bad and won't create good. It would be immoral.
The other reason that I do not want to die is that I want to see Christ coming, and I want to see what will happen to this earth during the latest days.
Since we ruined the original paradise by chosing to be god ourselves the new paradise can only consist of people who want God to be god and humans to be humans.
I'm also scared of taking my own life, even though I'm pretty suicidal. I have fears that if I do take my own life, it will be a sin and I will be punished. But having said that, I feel like I am being punished in life as well. Why else would I have such depression if not to punish me? Or maybe I'm a random occurance in the world and death is an infinitely long dreamless sleep. If that's the case, it won't matter if I take my own life."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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Originally posted by Sava
I don't fear death... I fear the method that I'm going to die. I'd hate to be shot, or stabbed, or in a bad car accident.
I'm also scared of taking my own life, even though I'm pretty suicidal. I have fears that if I do take my own life, it will be a sin and I will be punished. But having said that, I feel like I am being punished in life as well. Why else would I have such depression if not to punish me? Or maybe I'm a random occurance in the world and death is an infinitely long dreamless sleep. If that's the case, it won't matter if I take my own life.
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Japher, yeah.. or what if you were on the toilet seat, doing some heavy duty, and then you bursted a vain in your head and died right there? That would be pretty bad too.In da butt.
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Originally posted by Pekka
Japher, yeah.. or what if you were on the toilet seat, doing some heavy duty, and then you bursted a vain in your head and died right there? That would be pretty bad too.
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very true.. you'd get yourself on some website funnydeaths.com or something. That wouldn't be so cool anymore.In da butt.
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I'm also scared of taking my own life, even though I'm pretty suicidal. I have fears that if I do take my own life, it will be a sin and I will be punished. But having said that, I feel like I am being punished in life as well. Why else would I have such depression if not to punish me?
I mean, look at Christ. He was perfect, and yet he suffered more than anyone else. If God only punished people through suffering, then why would he punish Christ?
Suffering can lead to good, to purification. Hebrews talks about being made pure through suffering, and that we will all be tested in this world.
I don't know what is causing your depression, Sava, and what is troubling you so much at this point in time. All I can tell you is that if you fight it out, this will pass.
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Is this Christ's teaching or the people who lived after him's teaching?
I believe in a different sort of God. It is not the being that we see it is that we can talk to and pray to, it is simply an incomprehensible force that flows through all things.
But if you ask me, doing this will be achieved through spirituality and not through religion and institutions. It will be achieved by meditation and contemplation, not through going to church. All of the religions teach of meditation, the problem with Christianity is that it isn't of enough importance.
If all we need are ourselves, then why would Christ set up a church after him?
Secondly, I have a friend of mine who is a novice nun entering a contemplative prayer. Perhaps the problem is not with Christianity, but with your pastor, in that he lacks the proper understanding and desire for meditation, and so does not convey of it's importance.
For me, it only makes sense that because God is a person, that we should pray to him. An impersonal force needs no prayer, and prayer could not help you.
Finally, Christ claimed to be God. If this 'god' is an impersonal force, then Christ is not God.
I am simply saying that I don't believe in worrying about it that much just as long as you don't hurt others.
I think we have a much more difficult task to help others, and not just to avoid hurting them.
Second, what if you don't believe in hell? Jesus' references to hell are very few, very vague, and very misunderstood.
Hell was used as a way to scare non-Christians into joining the religion, so they can be saved.
And I don't think God would create a hell. Eternal damnation is too harsh a punishment for any worldly deed.
And anway, nothing is completely a person's fault. Even the worst murderers become that way because of conditions around them (abusive parents, etc.) or because there is something wrong with them.
If we are allowed to choose heaven, and to choose good deeds, then we are also allowed to choose hell, and to choose evil.
I don't see how eternal damnation would be justifiable, and how does it do any good? Damning someone is bad and won't create good. It would be immoral.
Justice is part of the good, and a just God, will punish the wicked, just as we punish criminals here on Earth.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Justice is part of the good, and a just God, will punish the wicked, just as we punish criminals here on Earth.
Justice is giving to each what they deserve. Nobody, no matter how horrible they are, deserves to have pain and suffering needlessly inflicted upon them. Nobody, no matter how terrible their crimes, if they can be helped deserves to be denied that help. We imprison people because they pose a danger to others. We imprison people in hopes of rehabilitating them. But, we should never imprison someone just for pure vengance.
A truly good, all-powerful and all-knowing God would NEVER damn ANYBODY to hell.
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Christ taught the Parable of the Ten virgins, and told us how we do not know the hour or the day of his return.
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Yet Christ gave the Apostles a mission to establish his church. If you believe in Christ, then clearly the church must play an integral part of his mission here on Earth.
If all we need are ourselves, then why would Christ set up a church after him?
So why does contemplation and meditation matter if this force is not something you can talk to and pray to?
Secondly, I have a friend of mine who is a novice nun entering a contemplative prayer. Perhaps the problem is not with Christianity, but with your pastor, in that he lacks the proper understanding and desire for meditation, and so does not convey of it's importance.
For me, it only makes sense that because God is a person, that we should pray to him. An impersonal force needs no prayer, and prayer could not help you.
Finally, Christ claimed to be God. If this 'god' is an impersonal force, then Christ is not God.
So all we should do, is to do not do to others, as we would not have done to us?
I think we have a much more difficult task to help others, and not just to avoid hurting them.
Why do you say this? I think Christ is very clear about Hell being a place of eternal separation from God.
What if it is real? How can you have a heaven without a hell. If there is no hell, how can there be a heaven?
Cygnus put what I was trying to say better than I did. Damnation doesn't help. Ben used the prison analogy. But I don't believe in throwing people in prison just for the sake of punishment. Punishment does not make anything better. Prison exists not for punishment but for deterrence and rehabilitation. If there is a hell, it would be temporary and for the purpose of rehabilitation."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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Whoa.
I'm off to a party tonight.
I'll reply to these tomorrow.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Compared to life in the 1600s, life now is pretty good. Maybe heaven is earth, and reincarnation is the vehicle.
Tabula rasa. Hmmm.
I'm not sure I like the idea of completely forgetting my life. I don't like it all. But, it might happen. Oi!
Several things could happen after death from my perspective:
nothing/blankness/absence/void
this might be peaceful, and in fact graceful
reincarnation
we lose the memory of our previous life and advance onto a new one. do we repeat the same mistakes? hopefully not.
heaven without memory of former life or
heaven with memory of former life.
I can't figure out which heaven is preferable. it seems the latter forms the majority of how our culture thinks about heaven, but the former is more biblical, and more scary. But it might also be the best way - a fresh start.
Sort of like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Two people enter a world where they can't remember anything, but they're ultimately determined to make the best of what they have together. I guess that's my sort of romantic take on heaven."mono has crazy flow and can rhyme words that shouldn't, like Eminem"
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Sort of like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Two people enter a world where they can't remember anything, but they're ultimately determined to make the best of what they have together. I guess that's my sort of romantic take on heaven.
I think that the idea of the soul leaving the body to become part of the Oversoul and being recycled would explain Carl Jung's collective conscience theory. Maybe we die and our soul and all of our ideas just become part of the universe.
I'm off to a party tonight.
Lucky!!!
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