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  • Book I, Chapter V
    Of the Real and Nominal Price of Commodities, or of their Price in Labour, and their Price in Money


    Every man is rich or poor according to the degree in which he can afford to enjoy the necessaries, conveniencies, and amusements of human life.*1 But after the division of labour has once thoroughly taken place, it is but a very small part of these with which a man's own labour can supply him. The far greater part of them he must derive from the labour of other people, and he must be rich or poor according to the quantity of that labour which he can command, or which he can afford to purchase. The value of any commodity, therefore, to the person who possesses it, and who means not to use or consume it himself, but to exchange it for other commodities, is equal to the quantity of labour which it enables him to purchase or command. Labour, therefore, is the real measure of the exchangeable value of all commodities.

    I.5.1
    The real price of every thing, what every thing really costs to the man who wants to acquire it, is the toil and trouble of acquiring it. What every thing is really worth to the man who has acquired it, and who wants to dispose of it or exchange it for something else, is the toil and trouble which it can save to himself, and which it can impose upon other people. What is bought with money or with goods is purchased by labour,*2 as much as what we acquire by the toil of our own body. That money or those goods indeed save us this toil. They contain the value of a certain quantity of labour which we exchange for what is supposed at the time to contain the value of an equal quantity. Labour was the first price, the original purchase-money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all the wealth of the world was originally purchased; and its value, to those who possess it, and who want to exchange it for some new productions, is precisely equal to the quantity of labour which it can enable them to purchase or command.

    I.5.2
    Wealth, as Mr. Hobbes says, is power.*3 But the person who either acquires, or succeeds to a great fortune, does not necessarily acquire or succeed to any political power, either civil or military. His fortune may, perhaps, afford him the means of acquiring both, but the mere possession of that fortune does not necessarily convey to him either. The power which that possession immediately and directly conveys to him, is the power of purchasing; a certain command over all the labour, or over all the produce of labour which is then in the market. His fortune is greater or less, precisely in proportion to the extent of this power; or to the quantity either of other men's labour, or, what is the same thing, of the produce of other men's labour, which it enables him to purchase or command. The exchangeable value of every thing must always be precisely equal to the extent of this power which it conveys to its owner.*

    - Adam Smith (The the real Adam Smith)
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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    • quoting Adam Smith no good

      It's a bit like quoting the bible - you can make of it what you wish.
      Deny human evil all you want - it still is here in gigantic amount and you socialists ignore it, therefore increasing the power of it. The history of socialism proves this most of all. You should be ashamed. The mass-murder of tens of millions by those who spoke just like you is abundant proof.

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      • Kidicious, I have a question.

        How does work create value?

        If I dig ditches in my backyard and the fill them up all day, I have done a great amount of work, but there is no value.

        If I work and work and make many widgets that no one has a need for or wants, then I have done a lot of work, but there is no value.

        I am having trouble seeing how work is creating value because of situations like the above. Products need to be desired and wanted (issues of how those products are viewed) in order for there to be value.

        For instance, let's take food. Perhaps two different types of plant cost the same amount in seeds to grow, and require the same amount of labor to produce. When you go to market however, one is worth more than the other (perhaps it tastes better or something), so there is a different value between the two products. However, the same amount of work was put into producing each one.

        I am trying to see where you are coming from on this, but I think the above examples are inherently problematic.

        -Drachasor

        PS. I have not followed most of this thread, so forgive me if I am pointing out something that has been discussed.
        "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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        • PS. I have not followed most of this thread, so forgive me if I am pointing out something that has been discussed.
          You've basically rehashed my points, but don't worry, he has repeatedly ignored me, so maybe he'll listen to you.
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          • Originally posted by Drachasor
            Kidicious, I have a question.

            How does work create value?

            ....

            PS. I have not followed most of this thread, so forgive me if I am pointing out something that has been discussed.
            It's true that I've already talked about this in the thread. I'm glad that DF can realize that. If you look in the Wealth of Nations and flip a couple of pages from where I quoted there is a good explaination for this. I've got to get to school now, but I'll post that in about 3 hours.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • Re: quoting Adam Smith no good

              Originally posted by FredKarno
              It's a bit like quoting the bible - you can make of it what you wish.
              Deny human evil all you want - it still is here in gigantic amount and you socialists ignore it, therefore increasing the power of it. The history of socialism proves this most of all. You should be ashamed. The mass-murder of tens of millions by those who spoke just like you is abundant proof.
              Try posting something of value. More people will be interested in your posts.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • Re: Re: quoting Adam Smith no good

                Originally posted by Kidicious


                Try posting something of value. More people will be interested in your posts.
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                • Originally posted by Kidicious


                  It's true that I've already talked about this in the thread. I'm glad that DF can realize that. If you look in the Wealth of Nations and flip a couple of pages from where I quoted there is a good explaination for this. I've got to get to school now, but I'll post that in about 3 hours.
                  Great, there's a "part two" to this thread????
                  Haven't been here for ages....

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                  • So Kidicious spams up another thread about how he wishes things would work in his own private Kidaverse and other people are interested because....?
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