Tweet
.
Attached Files
-
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln -
@ Novak the Pathetic for giving Kerry a D
In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
-
They're using the tried and true Agathon gambit. Claim victory no matter what.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Dems are really going after him. The front page of CNN.com:"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
-
What victory ?
Attached FilesWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
-
-
Japher, some of what they say is right, but most of it is a cluster**** of half-truths and sophisms.
Politicians lie and distort facts. On what basis can you say that Bush did it less as to be awarded a B?In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
-
This is actually 100% consistent.Originally posted by Ned
Kerry's main problem was that Bush did not put a coalition together on the scale of his father's coalition. Kerry has a lot of praise for Bush I.
But, even though this criticism is somewhat valid in that Bush might have been able to obtain a larger coalition by caving to French demands, this position is not consistent with the other Kerry position that Iraq was a colossal mistake and a diversion from the real war on terror in Iraq... the wrong war, at the wrong time and in the wrong place. That is pure Deanism and is wholly inconsistent with Kerry's "nuanced" first position on Iraq.
Kerry says Bush promised numerous things would be done about Iraq before going to War:
1. Exhaust all other possibilities
2. Build a large and strong coalition as in the first Iraq War
3. He said he would plan it carefully
He also lied about there being Nuclear Weapons or a Nuclear Program (and it was known well before we went in that this wasn't true).
So, Kerry expects Bush to do all of those things, and Bush doesn't and goes in anyway.
Now we don't have enough troops to go around.
Why? No large and strong Coalition, and no careful planning on how to handle the aftermath. If we had both of those, we easily could have done Afghanistan AND Iraq. We didn't and so we can't. A new president is the only chance we have of changing the level of foreign help in Iraq now.
This doesn't mean cow-towing to foreign wants, but it means being aware of their desires and interests and working with them. The World is a community, and like a community you have to work together on big projects so that you can get them done right.
So, in short, Kerry was consistent (as he has been consistent, even though he doesn't always state his positions well). We could have done both quite well, but Bush didn't follow his plan; we needed a real coalition.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
-
I'm not, just saying that Kerry didn't deserve an A or maybe even a B. The D is low, but not by much IMO.On what basis can you say that Bush did it less as to be awarded a B?Comment
-
Originally posted by Drachasor
This is actually 100% consistent.
Kerry says Bush promised numerous things would be done about Iraq before going to War:
1. Exhaust all other possibilities
2. Build a large and strong coalition as in the first Iraq War
3. He said he would plan it carefully
He also lied about there being Nuclear Weapons or a Nuclear Program (and it was known well before we went in that this wasn't true).
So, Kerry expects Bush to do all of those things, and Bush doesn't and goes in anyway.
Now we don't have enough troops to go around.
Why? No large and strong Coalition, and no careful planning on how to handle the aftermath. If we had both of those, we easily could have done Afghanistan AND Iraq. We didn't and so we can't. A new president is the only chance we have of changing the level of foreign help in Iraq now.
This doesn't mean cow-towing to foreign wants, but it means being aware of their desires and interests and working with them. The World is a community, and like a community you have to work together on big projects so that you can get them done right.
So, in short, Kerry was consistent (as he has been consistent, even though he doesn't always state his positions well). We could have done both quite well, but Bush didn't follow his plan; we needed a real coalition.
-Drachasor
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
-
If CNN's user polls are worth anything as an indicator of public perception, the public thinks that Kerry did better than the pundits think, and that Bush did worse than the pundits think.
Oh, and Novak is a douchebag
If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
-
In reality I gave Bush something like a a D+ and Kerry a B.Originally posted by Ted Striker
What victory ?
Regardless most of the talking heads refer to it as a draw to marginal victory for Kerry, not something to trumpet as a foregone conclusion. That is confirmed one way or the other in a few days upon repolling.
By the by, Paul Begala A+ on content,. Obviously Kerry's new love interest.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
-
Kerry gets a 9/10. Bush get's, as usual, a 9/11.
But seriously, I give Kerry a B- on substance and a B+ on style. Bush gets a B- on substance and a D+ on style.
Jim Lehrer gets a D as moderator."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
-
The President surprised me when he did'nt just run off the stage. I think he was very happy that he was still standing when it was over.
Kerry did very well to point out the failings of the President. I feel more secure in my vote that Kerry believes that the reasons presented to him for going to war in Iraq were false. Unlike most dem politicians who are afraid to say that.
The fear I have is that after all the facts come out, people will still vote on the basis of likability vs intelligence. The President even pointed out that Kerry went to Yale. I'm sure that that earned him votes with people who do not know that the President went there also.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensationComment
-
So I end up missing two and a half more pages of posts after having been "gone" for less than a day.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
-
I agree, and I agree with what Kerry says on the matter. However, I think Kerry should condone not condem Bush for his actions, this would really help him. Most ppl like me see Dems as do nothings; Clinton ignoring Saddam for 8 years, we blame them for the rift we caused in the ME, they stimmy budget and health care reform all the time by shooting down plans but not proposing any with any resemblence of a compromise... I would rather have some act after analyzing all the facts, than some one who will sit on their hands, even after being given the power to go to war. We see Kerry as a coward, despite his Vietnam service.Kerry did very well to point out the failings of the President. I feel more secure in my vote that Kerry believes that the reasons presented to him for going to war in Iraq were false. Unlike most dem politicians who are afraid to say that.
The fear I have is that after all the facts come out, people will still vote on the basis of likability vs intelligence.
If ppl don't know Bush went to Yale then how the hell would they be able to vote Intelligence over Likeability?The President even pointed out that Kerry went to Yale. I'm sure that that earned him votes with people who do not know that the President went there also.:P
Comment
Comment