Ann Coulter Speaks -- on Rather, Cronkite and Vietnam

[Berzerker]

Re: Ann Coulter Speaks -- on Rather, Cronkite and Vietnam

Originally posted by Ned
Most of her recent column is on Rathergate, but she ends on this note, which identifies why CBS screwed up and why Cronkite was critical to America losing the Vietnam war.

"The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth show the role of the individual in history. It wasn't Republican strategists who finished Kerry off two months before the election; it was the American people. The Swift Boat veterans came along and kicked Kerry in the shins and no matter how much heat they took, they were brave and wouldn't give up.

Yup to that, the ads and the GOP convention did Kerry in... Bush will win by %3-4 at least.

The veterans who served with Kerry told the truth and the American people listened (as soon as they managed to locate a copy of "Unfit for Command" hidden on one of the back shelves at their local bookstores).

Which veterans? There seems to be two contrasting versions and the other is positive, that and the obvious motive the SBVT have to get back at Kerry for what he said back then leaves us nowhere. How does she "know" the truth when even the people who were there can't agree on what happened?

CBS was forced to run a fake story so early in the campaign that it was exposed as a fraud – only because of the Swift Boat vets. These brave men, many of them decorated war heroes, have now not only won the election for Bush, they have ended Dan Rather's career.

Payback's a *****

It's often said that we never lost a battle in Vietnam, but that the war was lost at home by a seditious media demoralizing the American people. Ironically, the leader of that effort was Rather's predecessor at CBS News, Walter Cronkite, president of the Ho Chi Minh Admiration Society.

It was Cronkite who went on air and lied about the Tet offensive, claiming it was a defeat for the Americans. He told the American people the war was over and we had lost. Ronald Reagan said CBS News officials should have been tried for treason for those broadcasts.

We lost that war the minute the CinC et al decided it was to be a "limited" war like in Korea which turned into a stalemate ended Eisenhower. The US had never lost a war up until then but nukes not only induce peace among the empowered, they result in limited wars in someone else's backyard. Oops, and that's what leads to terrorists and then to terrorists with nukes.

CBS has already lost one war for America. The Swift Boat Vets weren't going to let CBS lose another one."

Ouch, well put even if it's debatable...

http://www.anncoulter.org/ [/QUOTE]

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Funny how she has a more sucess, more fans, more fame, and a better life than you do.

Exhibit A in the dumbing down of America.

But she's a smart girl. She knows its profitable to be a right wing shrieker these days.

The small fact that Republican interests paid for her heroes to besmirch Kerry seems to have escaped her article somehow....

[Berzerker]

Funny how she has a more sucess, more fans, more fame, and a better life than you do.

I weep for my country But we pay guys millions for putting a ball in a hoop too, so... She does look happy though, everytime I see her it's the same bubbly, happy go lucky demeanor as she sinks her fangs into someone. At least she ain't a fundie

[monolith94]

Originally posted by Ned


Not liberals. Scum left. Liberalism was once a very honorable movement that sought to bring greater freedom and liberty to mankind. Today, that is the honor of the Republican party, who are known as neocons or conservatives. Today's liberals are yesterday's Marxists of varying extremes. All one has to do is read the Communist Manifesto to understand where a "liberal" will come out on any issue.

Yours is an odd sort of freedom and liberty. If you say so.

[chequita guevara]

Ann Coulter Speaks . . .

. . . and no one really cares.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
1. Abortion is a point of agreement between the Communist party and the Democrats.

No it isn't. We believe in abortion on demand without limitations. Democrats don't, they merely believe that women should have the right to choose in most cases.

[Imran Siddiqui]

@ Democrats and Communists are the same.

Yeah, I can really see che and Kerry agreeing on a lot .

[Ben Kenobi]

We believe in abortion on demand without limitations. Democrats don't, they merely believe that women should have the right to choose in most cases.

Uh, are these the same democrats opposing the Partial birth abortion ban?

If they think that partial birth abortions should be legal, than how can they oppose any abortion?

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Uh, are these the same democrats opposing the Partial birth abortion ban?

If they think that partial birth abortions should be legal, than how can they oppose any abortion?

Ben, a "Partial Birth Abortion" is a Dilate and Extract procedure. It has little to do with the gestation stage of the non-human.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, a "Partial Birth Abortion" is a Dilate and Extract procedure. It has little to do with the gestation stage of the non-human.

They have to induce labour prematurely.

Partial-birth makes sense.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Kontiki


How convenient, you actually linked to it yourself. Well, then go ahead and pull out the parts where they want to repeal NAFTA, ratify Kyoto, remove military recruiters, etc.

Here's a bit on Kyoto...

“When Bill Clinton needed support on tough and politically difficult issues like climate change, the one person we could always count on was John Kerry. He came to every round of negotiations over the Kyoto Protocol all around the world and was a strong voice for action. He was always out-numbered by corporate lobbyists and opponents of environmental progress, but he never back down. He not only has vision, he has guts.”

-- Roger Ballentine, Former Director- White House Office on Climate Change

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/enviros/environmentalists.html

“Bush’s abrupt and unilateral decision to abandon discussions with the world community on climate change was early evidence of this Administration’s misguided approach to dealing with the community of nations. Dropping out of international implementation of the Kyoto Protocol was foolhardy then, and it is even more obviously foolhardy today. In our absence, many of our major trading partners in Europe and elsewhere have been working on the details of international programs to manage greenhouse gas emissions. American interests are on the sidelines, having no ability to influence the development of a system that will profoundly affect the global approach to resource protection and investment in climate change technologies….”

http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=622

[The Mad Monk]

Kerry on NAFTA:

“If it were before me today I would vote against it because it doesn't have environmental or labor standards in it,” said Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who did vote for NAFTA. “If we're going to create jobs, the first thing we have to do is make sure George W. Bush loses his.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/09/politics/main567487.shtml

[Alexander's Horse]

One of the interesting things about the so-called liberal media in Vietnam is that most them went into the war either neutral and non political or supporters of the war. From 1965 to 1968 support for the war was high both in the media and the public.

It took about 3 years of daily BS from the US military in the infamous ever optimistic media briefings called the "five O'clock follies", and ever mounting casualties, to convince many journalists that the war was not going so well. The Tet offensive brought that disillusionment to a head.

We see the same pattern in Iraq. The US military is very good at spin but the mounting death toll and evidence that insurgents are not defeated gradually undermines the message over time.

Unfortunately it may take a major loss of life by coalition forces to crystalise public discontent. Something like the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon during the 80's when scores of marines died and Reagan pulled them out.

Where will chicken hawks like Coulter and her ilk be then? Probably keeping a low profile and blaming someone else as usual.

[Ned]

Originally posted by monolith94




Yours is an odd sort of freedom and liberty. If you say so.

You do know that picture was taken during the Tet Offensive, when Johnson, a Democrat, was president?

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No it isn't. We believe in abortion on demand without limitations. Democrats don't, they merely believe that women should have the right to choose in most cases.

Of course, Che. Democrats are bad communists because they are not extreme enough.