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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Is that so?
"Blessed be the pure in heart, for they shall see God."
Is that so?
"Blessed be the pure in heart, for they shall see God."
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Oh so my heart is unpure? What B.S...For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence) -
Read the Bible. Read the Ramayana. See if you notice the subtle inconsistancies between the two...Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Thank you Skywalker. That's an important concession. You say that it is possible for God to intervene in the world, but it is an open question as to whether or not he has.
I've never disputed that?
How would you ascertain the causal relationship empirically? It's not like a chemical reaction where you can isolate the reagents.
That practical considerations would make experiment difficult doesn't change the fact that it is an empirical problem.Comment
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Who says I hear voices in my head? He finds other ways to get my attention.There is no way you can talk to god (you are trying so hard to believe in something, and make something talk to yourself... you are hearing voices in your head).
As for me talking to him, anyone can do so, there's no talent involved. That's what prayer is about. You stop, and talk to him.
True, if he were imaginary and our own construct it would seem pretty silly. But if he's God, then it's not.The notion of god is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.... I can't believe people choose to believe in god(s), there are so many better things in life then a human imagined being.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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You just scream about god to get attention. That's what I think. Prayer is just a cry for attention. You are not praying for anything. There isn't anything there... just your own desperation in wanting something to be there.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Who says I hear voices in my head? He finds other ways to get my attention.
As for me talking to him, anyone can do so, there's no talent involved. That's what prayer is about. You stop, and talk to him.
Oh please.. don't speak semantics with me...True, if he were imaginary and our own construct it would seem pretty silly. But if he's God, then it's not.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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UR says it's impossible for people to see God, unlike New York.Oh so my heart is unpure? What B.S...
It has nothing to do with you Gian.
And I certainly have not seen him.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Faith is just no substitute for truth. A good measure of the true value of faith can be discerned by a visit to any mental asylum.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
"Blessed be the pure in heart, for they shall see God."
I don't need to know sun exists in my heart to know it's there. I can't begin to fit the breadth and scope of the universe into my little brain. In my heart I can fit all kinds of little self-involved things.
Hearts are good, they pump blood, fill our chests, but they're only hearts.
As for purity...
Life, by nature- is not about purity.
Freedom Doesn't March.
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You tell me.Read the Bible. Read the Ramayana. See if you notice the subtle inconsistancies between the two...
Why should I do your work for you?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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I have to scream in order for God to hear me?You just scream about god to get attention.
You're right. After all that's what adoration, thanksgivings and contrition are all about.That's what I think. Prayer is just a cry for attention.
Desparation? No, it's like a walk. I'm walking, and he walks with me, and we talk about how things are going. Sure sometimes it's rough, but othertimes are much more joyful.You are not praying for anything. There isn't anything there... just your own desperation in wanting something to be there.
Why would we dream up a God that hates sin when we revel in it?Oh please.. don't speak semantics with me...Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Perhaps... the part about polytheism?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You tell me.
Why should I do your work for you?
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Prove god.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I have to scream in order for God to hear me?
You're right. After all that's what adoration, thanksgivings and contrition are all about.
Desparation? No, it's like a walk. I'm walking, and he walks with me, and we talk about how things are going. Sure sometimes it's rough, but othertimes are much more joyful.
Why would we dream up a God that hates sin when we revel in it?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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The fallacy, btw, was at your appeal to authority.Originally posted by loinburger
Second, the meanings of words can and do change over time. Or do you wish to argue that computer bugs are organisms? You cannot simply cry "fallacy" and dismiss the scientific definition of "universe" in favor of Kuciwalker's ad hoc definition of "universe."Comment
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did you not read BKs earlier post?Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Perhaps... the part about polytheism?
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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So all the believers are in asylums?Faith is just no substitute for truth. A good measure of the true value of faith can be discerned by a visit to any mental asylum.
I'd try going to church if I were you. Might even out your perspective.
If you lived in a cave all your life, and never saw the sun, would you know that it exists?I don't need to know sun exists in my heart to know it's there. I can't begin to fit the breadth and scope of the universe into my little brain. In my heart I can fit all kinds of little self-involved things.
Very true. Which is why we are given a new life, apart from our natural one, one that does not wither or decay.As for purity... Life, by nature- is not about purity.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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I don't see how it accounts for blatant inconsistancies.Originally posted by Jon Miller
did you not read BKs earlier post?
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