Does God exist?

[Ramo]

I've been trying to find the article in the Biochemist's archives, and it doesn't seem to be there (or the search engine is the crappiest one I've ever seen for a real scientific journal, if it is one). I also noticed that the source referenced right after that article is Nostrodamus.

[Whaleboy]

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually, that's where you're wrong. Actually, technically you aren't incorrect (we have not assembled through pure chance any modern polypeptide chains),

And that my friend, is the whole point I was trying to make.

just that we have not conducted our experiments on a scale comparable to the one in which they originally arose.

So to explore how the universe works, you need something to scale? Bollocks! Scale matters little in scientific investigation.

[Whaleboy]

And that my friend, is the whole point I was trying to make.

Keep going....?

[Ben Kenobi]

It's still not very convincing though.

Well, that I can't satisfy. You can see the evidence in front of your nose, but it's up to you whether you find the evidence convincing or not.

[Ben Kenobi]

You've misunderstood it. As far as science is concerned, the Big Bang is necessary to the universe - it's God that's right out of the blue and unnecessary.

Tell me, what happens before Planck time? Did everything just spring up out of nothing, or do we just have no way of investigating before that period?

Sure the big bang may be a good theory, but it is not any more necessary to the universe than any other scientific theory. It has some very big problems that still need to be resolved.

[Whaleboy]

Well, that I can't satisfy. You can see the evidence in front of your nose, but it's up to you whether you find the evidence convincing or not.

Pray tell, this evidence? (for someone who can't be arsed to read back). You explanation of it would be far more insightful surely .

[Ben Kenobi]

Keep going....?

You need the polypeptide chains for your proteins, do you not?

[Whaleboy]

Sure the big bang may be a good theory, but it is not any more necessary to the universe than any other scientific theory. It has some very big problems that still need to be resolved.

That it cannot explain what went before? Tell me, are you familiar with superstring theory?

[Ben Kenobi]

Pray tell, this evidence? (for someone who can't be arsed to read back). You explanation of it would be far more insightful surely

I wrote how you can find glimpses of God in other religions, and Trajanus wrote how he saw my point in Dante, which is a combination of both Greek and Christian imagery.

[Whaleboy]

You need the polypeptide chains for your proteins, do you not?

But how is their probability, ignoring complexity theory (the chaotic attractors Drogue mentioned) for the moment relevant to their being and thus their creation from their point of view? You fail to address the principle of sufficient reason.

[Whaleboy]

I wrote how you can find glimpses of God in other religions, and Trajanus wrote how he saw my point in Dante, which is a combination of both Greek and Christian imagery.

I mean to ask why he should find that convincing .

[Ben Kenobi]

That it cannot explain what went before? Tell me, are you familiar with superstring theory?

Well, not in how the theory applied to the period of time before Planck time.

[Ben Kenobi]

I mean to ask why he should find that convincing

He thought enough of it to bring it up...

[Ben Kenobi]

But how is their probability, ignoring complexity theory (the chaotic attractors Drogue mentioned) for the moment relevant to their being and thus their creation from their point of view? You fail to address the principle of sufficient reason.

Theory is one thing.

Empirical basis quite another. We have very little understanding surrounding the processes involved in the formation of life on Earth, so all this here is speculation without much basis in fact.