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However, it is true that both the US and UK have granted asylum to Chechen nationalists that Russia wants extradited to face charges of terrorism. The US and UK say they have no evidence that these are terrorists. However, if you listen to what those granted asylum say about the terrorist attacks, it sounds pretty suspect. In one sentence they condemn the attacks, but in the next sentence they pretty much say the attacks were justified. I say they should be extradited to face trial.
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Like freedom of the press?Originally posted by Giancarlo
Putin is a very democratic man, who sometimes needs to take a firm hand with some issues.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Well, freedom of the press isn't a necessary thing when it isn't listening to the will of the people.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Like freedom of the press?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Ah, right, I forgot, you are a Fascist. And don't give me this I'm not a Fascist BS! You just said freedom of the press isn't necessary when it isn't listening to the 'will of the people'. It's something Mussolini would have been proud to say!“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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No I'm not a fascist. I just speak for the will of the people when they have a united heart against terrorism and other evils in the world. Freedom of press isn't needed when it abuses the will and heart of the people. Mussolini would say that? Well I would not think so. The united patriotism of a nation is better paid attention to, then the insanity of some left wing media.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ah, right, I forgot, you are a Fascist. And don't give me this I'm not a Fascist BS! You just said freedom of the press isn't necessary when it isn't listening to the 'will of the people'. It's something Mussolini would have been proud to say!For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Ok, I think the article doesn't accurately portray the way the US media are currently using the word 'terrorist'. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, CNN currently uses 'terrorist' very sparringly. In fact whenever they have alluded to the 9/11 attacks of late they have said 'hijackers' rather than 'terrorists'. There seems to be a perception among US news media that the word 'terrorist' has become too politcally charged so they almost always cast about for something to substitute for it when speaking of any specific action or group of people. Despite all this there were plenty of uses by CNN of the word 'terrorist' on their web site to describe the hostage takers in the school. I think the articles about that 10 year old kid Georgy from the video referred to them as nothing but 'terrorist', and the same goes for the rest of the reporting they have done that involved events within the school. On the other hand I don't remember them calling even one of the sob's who have been beheading civilians in Iraq as terrorists. Those arseholes are always referred to as 'kidnappers' or 'hostage takers' for some reason. No accounting for it, but it's clear it doesn't represent a different standard for terrorists who victimise Russians from those who victimise people from other parts of the world.Originally posted by Serb
but enough of this, discuss the article.
Much more troubling to me is the news that so many of the neocons who agitated for war with Iraq are now supporting the terrorists in Russia. This leaves me more convinced than ever that they never gave a damn about fighting al Quaida or any terrorists. Rather I think they were focused on Iraq all along and saw the need to deal with the Taliban as only an unwanted detour from their Iraqi plans and later as a smokescreen for discussing justification of the regime change in Iraq.
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I just speak for the will of the people
Freedom of press isn't needed when it abuses the will and heart of the people.
The united patriotism of a nation is better paid attention to, then the insanity of some left wing media.
Visions of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco must dance through your head at regular intervals.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Exactly, the article isn't about the definitions used for terrorists (I'm still think it's wierd to do not call them so), it's about the Chechens' American friends.
And Oerdin, the rest of the articles dedicated to crisis on Guardian's web site are pure anti-Russian and anti-Putin bullsh!t.Comment
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I only think about the people. That should be noticed for its monumental meaning.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I just speak for the will of the people
Freedom of press isn't needed when it abuses the will and heart of the people.
The united patriotism of a nation is better paid attention to, then the insanity of some left wing media.
Visions of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco must dance through your head at regular intervals.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Re: The Chechens' American friends
First of all, I don't know what channels you've been watching, but the nicest I heard them refered to was "Hostage-takers".Originally posted by Serb
Enjoy you reading.
And it's from the guardian, of course.
What really kills me is that your "free", "advanced", "ubiased" media, NEVER calls persons who took and kill hostages- terrorists, if those persons act in Russia.
American and European media calls them- rebels, guman, militants, guerrillas, even fighters sometimes, it calls them anyhow but NEVER calls them TERRORISTS.
Not that I'm really surprised, considering that CNN invites one of those f*ckers (who personally cut throats in Dagestan in 1999, but now wears an expensive suit and lives in UK) into their studio and broadcast his sh!t on whole world.
**** your so-called "freedom of speech".
Second, I don't see Russia's Free Press commenting on the possibility that, waaaayyy back in 1999 the FSB framed the Chechens by destroying those apartment buildings, thus giving the Yelstin administration (which had less than 2% support at the time) the justification needed to go re-occupy Chechnya.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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the article isn't about the definitions used for terrorists
If I wanted to discuss the article, I would have done so
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Now, I'm on how much of a Fascist Giancarlo really is, though he claims he is not.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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I only think about the people. That should be noticed for its monumental meaning.
No you don't. You want to take away the people's right to free press.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Free press? Free press doesn't exist when it abuses the will of the people. It is un-patriotic press, and it doesn't have to be allowed.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I only think about the people. That should be noticed for its monumental meaning.
No you don't. You want to take away the people's right to free press.
(Dude, you do realize I'm just BSing you here)
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Kidicious:
You sure seem to know all about the inner workings of journalism. What newspaper or television station do you work for?
Gatekeeper"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire
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Re: Re: The Chechens' American friends
Oh BS.Originally posted by Lonestar
First of all, I don't know what channels you've been watching, but the nicest I heard them refered to was "Hostage-takers".
Second, I don't see Russia's Free Press commenting on the possibility that, waaaayyy back in 1999 the FSB framed the Chechens by destroying those apartment buildings, thus giving the Yelstin administration (which had less than 2% support at the time) the justification needed to go re-occupy Chechnya.
I was sure you weren't one of those loonies who believes that the CIA/Mossad destroyed the WTC and attacked the Pentagon on 9/11/01, was I mistaken?
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