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  • #61
    Originally posted by Geronimo


    all US journalism consists of private businesses. Wall street journal does not gain any special credibility due to its target market IMHO.

    Honestly Lonestar, how would this make any more sense for people working for the Russian government to do to themselves than it would for our own government to have planned and executed the 9/11 attacks? How in the hell would a public official shield themselves from the possibility of those underneath them leaking the ghastly plan to the public? The 'journalist' who wrote that editorial is demonstrating abysmal critical thinking skills.
    Russia has a long history of it's government apparatus being coldblooded and brutal to it's own population, the United States doesn't. Makes a world of difference.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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    • #62
      Giancarlo, get a freaking grip. Putin's a bastard. He is authoritarian. The only good thing about him is that he's not a complete dictator..but quite frankly he's close. If he attacks terrorists, all well and good, but don't compliment him on something he doesn't deserve.
      Serb: I really don't know enough about the Chechnya conflict to say much about it. Putin &co. are basically remnants of the Communist regime in many respects, and for that reason I don't trust them in the slightest. On the other hand, Chechnya is pretty messed up. However, a good judgement of both of these sides is impossible with the lack of information that I have. Can you recommend any books, web sites, or etc that speak about this conflict, or that can explain its causes?
      "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Geronimo
        Wall Street Journal


        David Satter is *not* an employee with the Wall Street Journal. According to the source line: "Mr. Satter, affiliated with the Hoover Institution, the Hudson Institute and Johns Hopkins, is author of "Darkness at Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State" (Yale, 2003)."

        IOW, he's not a reporter, who are obligated by their profession to remain impartial while doing his/her job. Satter is a contributor and hopefully the article was labeled with something indicating it was opinion.

        Gatekeeper
        "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

        "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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        • #64
          I'm not a Republican but I believe that power should be de-centralised as much as possible so I'm not a fan of big countries that absorb other people's land and then wonder why they aren't given a pat on the back. Is that what happened with Chechnya and Russia?

          And can Russia now invade the USA for supporting terrorism?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Zevico
            Giancarlo, get a freaking grip. Putin's a bastard. He is authoritarian. The only good thing about him is that he's not a complete dictator..but quite frankly he's close. If he attacks terrorists, all well and good, but don't compliment him on something he doesn't deserve.
            Serb: I really don't know enough about the Chechnya conflict to say much about it. Putin &co. are basically remnants of the Communist regime in many respects, and for that reason I don't trust them in the slightest. On the other hand, Chechnya is pretty messed up. However, a good judgement of both of these sides is impossible with the lack of information that I have. Can you recommend any books, web sites, or etc that speak about this conflict, or that can explain its causes?
            You forget one little f--king thing, Russia has been in Chechnya for a very long time. Putin didn't start it. I think Russia has been in there since 1860 ?? (Need verification of that or correction). Putin is not a remnant of the communist regime. That's just stupid to say. Putin is no bastard.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by pchang
              And he totally neglected that whole Dagestan thing.
              Yep, despite the fact the invasion in Dagestan was THE reason why Russian forces enetered Chechnya second time, not the explosions in Moscow.
              This article is just a BS.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Giancarlo


                You forget one little f--king thing, Russia has been in Chechnya for a very long time. Putin didn't start it. I think Russia has been in there since 1860 ?? (Need verification of that or correction). Putin is not a remnant of the communist regime. That's just stupid to say. Putin is no bastard.

                Fez, if you said the sky was blue I would run outside to doublecheck.
                Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                • #68
                  Lonestar, address the other part of my post please.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Gatekeeper


                    David Satter is *not* an employee with the Wall Street Journal. According to the source line: "Mr. Satter, affiliated with the Hoover Institution, the Hudson Institute and Johns Hopkins, is author of "Darkness at Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State" (Yale, 2003)."

                    IOW, he's not a reporter, who are obligated by their profession to remain impartial while doing his/her job. Satter is a contributor and hopefully the article was labeled with something indicating it was opinion.

                    Gatekeeper
                    I'm glad you pointed that out. I was pretty bummed to say the least at the prospect of a member of the wall street journals staff writing such a surreal chain of absurdities and poor recollection of facts in a single editorial. I should've spotted that myself. I'm still not happy that the wall street jouranl saw it as fit to publish though.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Berzerker
                      ...so I'm not a fan of big countries that absorb other people's land and then wonder why they aren't given a pat on the back.
                      Says who?


                      The American Emperor, aren't you still occupy the Native's lands?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Giancarlo
                        Lonestar, address the other part of my post please.
                        Alright:

                        Russia has been in Chechnya for a very long time. Putin didn't start it. I think Russia has been in there since 1860 ??
                        I'm not sure right off the bat, but that sounds right. To which I respond:

                        So? Ireland was part of England longer. NORMANDY was part of England longer. In both cases, the English knew when to say "Gee whiz, maybe the lcoals really aren't that happy having us as overlords" and letting them go.
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo
                          I thought Imran was a democrat?
                          No, he's a Kerry-loving Republican turncoat and traitor to the cause who should be thrown from several helicopters.
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Lonestar


                            Alright:



                            I'm not sure right off the bat, but that sounds right. To which I respond:

                            So? Ireland was part of England longer. NORMANDY was part of England longer. In both cases, the English knew when to say "Gee whiz, maybe the lcoals really aren't that happy having us as overlords" and letting them go.
                            That's not my point. I didn't say anything about whether Russia should pull out of Chechnya or not. I'm just saying it is rather an emotional issue of national pride.

                            Mad Monk:

                            No, he's a Kerry-loving Republican turncoat and traitor to the cause who should be thrown from several helicopters.
                            Ah yes, the... 2% of left wing "republicans" who support Kerry.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #74
                              There is a difference between democrats and Democrats.
                              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                              ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​

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                              • #75
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