Well that's the end of rap music!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
By doing something other than music. Duh!

Obviously! What a solution you have come up with!

Dispatch the scribes, let us write this one down for the ages...

[Az]

If it wasn't illegal to download it, far less people would do it. There would be painfully easy services for downloading and burning CDs of free music.

Do you really believe this? Ask each and every person that downloads music on apolyton, if they buy records. I am sure that the reply for the vast majority of them wil be a sound 'yes'.

No, this is nonsense because you're assuming people's attitudes towards buying music wouldn't be changed when they find out they can legally own it without paying for it. Which is kinda ridiculous if you think about it...

AGAIN. ask people here in apolyton. And I am sure that the vast majority of people here have never enountered anyone to check their music. I see no reason why this would be different from the general public.

Make it legal to download, keep "industrial" ripping banned. That's the ticket, really. Music sales won't drop, at leasnt not in any rate that would discourage people from making music. OTOH, hundreds of millions of people will enjoy a wider variety of music. Hell they already do.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Azazel
Do you really believe this? Ask each and every person that downloads music on apolyton, if they buy records. I am sure that the reply for the vast majority of them wil be a sound 'yes'.

So you think the average Apolytoner is representative of the behavior of most people in the world?

AGAIN. ask people here in apolyton. And I am sure that the vast majority of people here have never enountered anyone to check their music. I see no reason why this would be different from the general public.

Don't you think the amount of disposable income people have on a computer gaming site might be higher than normal?

[Last Conformist]

Like it or not, we live in an approximately capitalist society. If you can't make a living off what you do, you do something else.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Like it or not, we live in an approximately capitalist society. If you can't make a living off what you do, you do something else.

Very astute observation. Gold star.

[Last Conformist]

And you made fun of the commies? You're sounding like one yourself.

[chequita guevara]

While Asher is definately a very smart kid, and I generally don't have any problem with him, he's being a right ***** in this thread.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Asher

The obvious implication .........is what I meant.

The intent of the statement was obvious....

Oh dear, I'm sorry, I don't deal in the obvious- I leave that to culture-free geeks.




Of course, if you were aware of anything outside of the geekspace you inhabit, then you'd realize that sampling/plagiarism/unattributed quotes/referencing has been going on since time immemorial:

"In his essay In Defence of Plagiarism, Christopher Hitchens offers an amendment to an established definition of artistic 'theft':

A good rule of thumb for young plagiarists starting out in life might be the one set down by George Moore. 'Taking something from one man and making it worse is plagiarism'. To 'making it worse' one could add 'or leaving it exactly the same'.

Given that there has been a number of high-profile 'appropriations' of ideas in recent times - instances in which creative thinking has been duplicated with a suprising degree of openness - it is instructive to examine what exactly the implications are when an artist or a writer cries "theft."

Hitchens, after giving examples of occasions when he himself became both accuser and accused (the latter instance being resolved to his satisfaction, although, he adds "I still wake up whimpering about it"), approaches the matter of definition with extreme caution:

"If you think you know what plagiarism is, you are making a very large claim - the fact that you know originality when you see it."

...."relatively shattering" examples of occasions when originality came into question - even such canonical standards of literature and oratory as T.S. Eliot's 'The Waste Land' and Martin Luther King's momentous 'I Have a Dream' speech are shown to have relied, rather heavily in part, on certain unattributed 'source material'. Science too, Hitchens notes, has not been immune:

Sir Isaac Newton ...took great credit for propounding a law of planetary motion . This was to the outrage of his rival Robert Hooke, who maintained that Newton had drawn on his work as well as that of others...Newton made no direct admission, but did tactfully say that:

'if I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants'.

Unfortunately for Newton this memorable mitigating aphorism had itself appeared thirty years before in a collection of proverbs by George Herbert (remarkably, Herbert too had 'borrowed' the phrase from another source).'

http://www.recirca.com/backissues/c101/hmckerveydlong.shtml

No I know it's a bit of a risk expecting you to know who T. S. Eliot is, or George Herbert, possibly even Hooke, but you might just have heard of Isaac Newton and Martin Luther King- or are they not 'obvious' enough?

[chequita guevara]

God, molly, you are such a b!tch at times.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
And you made fun of the commies? You're sounding like one yourself.

Do you know what communism is?

I don't know of too many commies who support the concept of intellectual property being inforced.

[Maquiladora]

How often do rock/alternative bands sample rappers? I wonder how theyd react.

[Al B. Sure!]

In regards to sampling not being creative...

Evidence A:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/phillysouljahmusic.htm

The first minute or so of the original song is on there as well as the first minute of the dj remix i described which uses the same source song yet flips the samples differently.

Clearly, even with using the exact same source (and the same Jay-Z vocals for that matter too), you can come up with very different songs. the samples are recognizable yet it all sounds different and those are two distinct songs.

[Asher]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Oh dear, I'm sorry, I don't deal in the obvious- I leave that to culture-free geeks.

You should just let the bigboys handle it, then...

Of course, if you were aware of anything outside of the geekspace you inhabit, then you'd realize that sampling/plagiarism/unattributed quotes/referencing has been going on since time immemorial:

And if you've read and actually comprehended anything in this thread, you'd realize that was never my argument. I really don't care about history behind sampling, nor do I find it relevant at all.

Let me say that I do appreciate your Trivial Pursuit excellency, but while you have a good memory, you have the analytical ability of Fez with the genuine intelligence of Wiglaf. You can just write better than any of them, and hope by throwing around constant references and statements from history that you'd confuse your opponent or force them into submission...

It doesn't work with everyone.

In fact, once anyone ignores the heap of irrelevant bull**** in your last post, they'd realize you've skirted around the whole issue of legality completely. I believe the term for what you just did is "strawman".

Be a dear and look that one up, and provide the history for that as well...

[Az]

So you think the average Apolytoner is representative of the behavior of most people in the world?

Maybe, maybe not. My guess is as good as yours.

Don't you think the amount of disposable income people have on a computer gaming site might be higher than normal?

Erm, no, we have a whole bunch of brokeass students, here. I don't think that we're super rich or something.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher

Sampling, by definition, is not creative...

Never your argument? It was your first friggan post in this thread.