Well that's the end of rap music!

[Agathon]

Samping itself is not creative.

This is completely irrelevant. Ice Ice Baby may not have been very creative, but a lot of people liked it and enjoyed listening to it. There's no evidence that it impacted Queen's record sales, and good reason to think that it improved them.

That's a win win situation - people are getting what they want. That's what the economy is supposed to do.

Of course, there is going to be a limit to this. Having carbon copies of the same work is inefficient. On the other hand, even Ice Ice Baby is not a carbon copy of Under Pressure

* Let me state for the record that I have never purchased or voluntarily listened to anything by Vanilla Ice.

[Agathon]

You mean like how Windows 3.0 borrowed from MacOS?

Shhh Che.... everyone knows that it was the other way around.

[Whaleboy]

Let me state for the record that I have never purchased or voluntarily listened to anything by Vanilla Ice.

Yep.

[-Jrabbit]

Hey, fun thread. Sorry I was busy today.

BTW Agathon, the impact on the sampled artist's sales is not a consideration.

Summing up, the only issues at hand are...

a) whether musc sampling without permission is theft
b) the recent court ruling in the "argument of the beard" regarding how much/little can be sampled without permission
c) to what degree sampling is creative
d) some discussion of what degree of transformation is needed to achieve "creativity," and of course
e) the usual bunch of folks noting that they don't like rap and/or it's just not creative.

Oh, and

f) Which is better, Communism or Asher?

Nice thread, Albert.

[-Jrabbit]

d/p

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
f) Which is better, Communism or Asher?

Can I have a third option?

[Asher]

Originally posted by molly bloom
I believe the correct usage is 'which are'.

Arguments = plural, argument = singular.

In any case your intellectual limitations cannot be attributed to my writing style.

It's not your writing style, nor is it your grammar that is bothersome, but your complete inability to format posts appropriately. Even Fez, Wiglaf, Mr. Nice Guy, etc. can figure it out. Give it some effort, use the quote tags...

I think also, you'll find that quotation marks used inside quotes means that someone, being quoted, is quoting someone else-
ah, but now I understand, being a science guy, perhaps you don't see that very often.

I understand that, but you see, that requires context reading. Perhaps my knowledge of linguistics is more than yours, but that just annoys me. It's also not standard form, for the reason that it requires context to see what it means. Why do you think there are two forms of quotation marks in the first place, dear?

It's quite common in literature though.

In literature, it's used properly...

You mean like how Windows 3.0 borrowed from MacOS?

Great example, ace. Only, no code from MacOS was "sampled" in Windows 3.0. You can keep trying though.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
But the pro intellectual property people have just shown that they don't understand the notion. There is no moral phenomenon called "intellectual property" which someone gains rights to by creating it. That is not how intellectual property works in our society.

How does it work then? When an artist creates a song, it becomes their property.

Not only is this a "moral phenomenon", but it's prevalent in our society. Industries are built on it, even.

[Verto]

I support any move that would destroy or hurt the rap industry.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Asher

Perhaps my knowledge of linguistics is more than yours, but that just annoys me.

No, your knowledge of linguistics isn't 'greater' than mine ('greater' rather than 'more' is the standard or correct usage in that instance).




You're also confusing linguistics with grammar.



'Maybe my standards are just too high, being a science guy. '

Asswipe


Not on the evidence available so far, dear.

[Asher]

Originally posted by molly bloom
No, your knowledge of linguistics isn't 'greater' than mine ('greater' rather than 'more' is the standard or correct usage in that instance).

You're also confusing linguistics with grammar.

Actually, you are. I've told you repeatedly now I'm talking about linguistics and not grammar.

And I'm referring to parsing a sentence, and referring to context-sensitivity to determine it's meaning. This is linguistics, and not grammar.

So kindly stop confusing the two, then accusing me of such.

Asswipe

You must've had help with that one...

[Theben]

Rap has gotten pretty stale. Maybe this new ruling will cause a new type of sound to come forth.

[Immortal Wombat]

Frontier Psychiatrist.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Theben
Rap has gotten pretty stale.

You're just listening to the wrong stuff. Dirty South!

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Asher

Actually, you are. I've told you repeatedly now I'm talking about linguistics and not grammar.

And I'm referring to parsing a sentence, and referring to context-sensitivity to determine it's meaning. This is linguistics, and not grammar.

So kindly stop confusing the two, then accusing me of such.


You must've had help with that one...

' Traditionally, grammar has devoted itself to parsing, that is allocating an accepted description within the framework of the traditional grammar to each of the words or each of the word-groupings in a sentence. 'Parsing' in this sense is now something which can be done by machine, has been done by computer programs in various ways but parsing as such amounts to very little if it is simply a matching of individual words with items in a conventional list or set of grammatical categories. To understand a spoken sentence, we need to be able to do very much more than parse it - what we are looking for is a correct solution of the decoding problem that any individual sentence constitutes. '

http://www.percepp.demon.co.uk/nol5.htm

To parse, a transitive verb, meaning to describe a word, or analyse a sentence with respect to or in terms of, grammar.


Linguistics: the study of languages or speech.

'Its' does not have an apostrophe when it is expressing the genitive or possessive- 'it is', is abbreviated to 'it's' .



'So kindly stop confusing the two.. '

Sound advice. You should learn from it.


'You must've had help with that one... '

Oh, I did.

You provided the inspiration for a metaphor for the only good use of your posts, if printed on suitable paper.