Well that's the end of rap music!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Oh for ****'s sake read the rest of the post. How am I supposed to argue with you if you're not even reading what I write?

Anyway, like I said, **** property and **** the law.

Because as your last sentence clearly indicates, it's obviously not worth reading.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher
And to make a collage using copyrighted images requires permission of the originator of the images.

Except where courts have found otherwise. In the case of rap, it was previously the case that a certain number of notes could be used for free.

There are two different arguments here, and you're jumping from one to the other hoping that no one sees your deft of hand. You first claim that sampling isn't creative. When you are shpown wrong, you jump over and say, but it's still theft, therefore I'm right.

A. Up to this court decision, it wasn't leally theft.

B. It is a creative process

You are FoS on both counts.

[Buck Birdseed]

Idiot.

[Az]

Why is it idiotic to find it illegal for them to steal other people's music without their permission?

It is not consistent to consider music theft if you download a song, then at the same time find it legal for someone to take someone else's music and profit from it. In fact, the latter is far worse.

A) you're barking at the wrong tree. I don't think that p2ping music is theft. If you referred to the federal court, that's another matter, and in that case, well, better sometimes smart than consistently stupid.

B) IT IS NOT STEALING MUSIC. The tracks that electronic music, and hip-hop produces aren't a copy of the song or a ripoff of the song.

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
A. Up to this court decision, it wasn't leally theft.

Erm, this is an appeals court. Why is this part of your argument, because the decision was reversed? Do I need to tell you how stupid that is?

B. It is a creative process

You are FoS on both counts.

It's only a creative process if it's significantly modified. The vast majority of the time, it's not.

[Buck Birdseed]

I mean Asher, of course. Jack-booted fascist thug stuck in the 19th century, Reaganesque yuppie ****hole, first up against the wall come the revolution.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher

Erm, this is an appeals court. Why is this part of your argument, because the decision was reversed? Do I need to tell you how stupid that is?

The original decision to which I refer was in the early 90s. This has stood for over ten years. So yes, you need to tell me how stupid your argument is.

It's only a creative process if it's significantly modified. The vast majority of the time, it's not.

Given that you're the creative equivalent of a drone, your opinion on this matter is irrelevent.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Idiot.

You, uh, might want to indicate this is an x-post.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Azazel
A) you're barking at the wrong tree. I don't think that p2ping music is theft.

You're a commie, you're not capable of rational thought.

B) IT IS NOT STEALING MUSIC. The tracks that electronic music, and hip-hop produces aren't a copy of the song or a ripoff of the song.

They frequently are.

See Tupac's "Changes" or VanillaIce's "Ice Ice Baby".

They are copies of the most distinguishing parts of the song. Blatantly so.

[Az]

I mean Asher, of course. Jack-booted fascist thug stuck in the 19th century, Reaganesque yuppie ****hole, first up against the wall come the revolution.

I think that tempers have flared way too high in this discussion.

Btw, If the court is right, I am listenning to some sweet sweet Britney Spears ripoff right now.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Given that you're the creative equivalent of a drone, your opinion on this matter is irrelevent.

Says the commie that wants to make everyone a drone....



ACK!

[Koyaanisqatsi]

This decision will go back the other way on appeal...transformed material has been upheld as legal many times.

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Given that you're the creative equivalent of a drone, your opinion on this matter is irrelevent.

Aren't you the unemployed web-design monkey?

Creativity manifests itself in many ways. Problem-solving is one of them.

I mean Asher, of course. Jack-booted fascist thug stuck in the 19th century, Reaganesque yuppie ****hole, first up against the wall come the revolution.

Rather that than a poor pudgey "bisexual" Swedish kid who'd rather masturbate to music than ever go out to get laid, and gets off by displaying ridiculous knowledge of entirely useless subject areas that no one truly cares about.

And I'm obviously stuck in the 19th century, it's not like I have an affinity for technology. And Reaganesque? Oh, I'm a hardcore republican.

I do confess to being a young, urban professional. I don't see why that's an insult.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher

You're a commie, you're not capable of rational thought.


They frequently are.

See Tupac's "Changes" or VanillaIce's "Ice Ice Baby".

They are copies of the most distinguishing parts of the song. Blatantly so.

Then you have to go bring in Tupac's "Changes".

I believe that this had Sting's blessing.

ACK!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Then you have to go bring in Tupac's "Changes".

I believe that this had Sting's blessing.

ACK!

Good for him. It's still sampling, and it's proof that it's not a big deal to obtain permission.