The Chechen Dilemma

[Az]

Originally posted by Ned
No, Azazel. One fights religious extremism with democracy. Look at what is happening in Iran, for example.

what is happening?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Do you think radical Islam should be allowed in Afganistan, now that the terrrorists have been chased out of there?

Firstly, I don't think that those terrorists deserve to be called Muslims, that they teachings can be called a radical Islam. Those terrorists have nothing common with Islam and follows the corrupt teaching of Vahhabism. I saw many Muslims in my life and I meet some everyday in my job and they aren't cruel and violent people. And I can't believe one of them could act like those beasts did in Beslan. Islam is an old religion and at least in Russia Christians and Muslims co-existed together peacefully for many centuries. Russia never declared crusades and the same crap.
And I believe that -no. Vahhabism, shouldn't be allowed in Afghanistan or anywhere else. As for me, it's not even a religon. It's an ideology, unhuman ideology, just like nazism was.
And it should be banned everywhere, just like nazism was banned everywhere after the end of WW2.

[Ned]

The pro democacy types are ....

Well plan B.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel




And, you know what can definetly kill religious extremism?

killing religion.

Of course, but vahhabism, as for me isn't a religion. As for me, as I've said, it's more like ideology. And this unhuman ideology should be killed, no doubt. Just like nazism was killed in WW2.

[Az]

Of course, but vahhabism, as for me isn't a religion. As for me, as I've said, it's more like ideology. And this unhuman ideology should be killed, no doubt. Just like nazism was killed in WW2.

Religions are a sort of ideology.

[Serb]

I meant that such religions don't have right to exist in any society. Even in societies that believe in freedom of faith. It's not about it being religion or someone's right to believe in what he whants to believe, it's about inhuman nature of this religion.
Vahhabism is inhuman ideology and inhuman ideologies that agitate for murder of inocent should be banned. And it doesn't matter where they took their strengh- in idea that some nationalities are supreme or some religions are supreme over the others. If they encorage their followers to murder the inocent- they should be banned everywhere.
Religious extremism should share the fate of nazism - worldwide recogonition of its inhuman nature and oblivion.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by atomant
September 6, 2004: The death toll in North Ossetia looks like it will reach 500, with 340 known dead and 180 missing. The Chechen rebels must be aware by now that their habit of taking large numbers of hostages. The Chechens, especially the faction led by Shamil Basaev, have been doing this since 1995 (and 1996 and 2002). It never works. The most the Chechens have ever gotten out of it is free passage for the hostage takers. The huge loss of life in North Ossetia brought condemnation even from the normally supportive Arab press. What the world found particularly horrendous was the killing of so many children. For two centuries, the Chechens have tried to defeat the Russians by being more savage. It never worked then, and it's not going to work this time either.

(taken from www.strategypage.com)

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
No, Azazel. One fights religious extremism with democracy. Look at what is happening in Iran, for example.

I don't think so Ned. If the religious extremists are the majority they will just create an islamic state. If they are the minority they will probably continue terrorism and fight for their own state.

[Kidlicious]

Has anyone reported the news today that the Russians took their own hostages, the family of Chechen seperatists leaders?

[Ted Striker]

Good for them.

The US does the same with Iraqi leaders.

As long as they don't hurt them.

[Kidlicious]

They tried to use them for a trade from what I read. There were some terrorists at the school that were arguing to abandone the mission, but a bomb accidentally went off causing caos.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't think so Ned. If the religious extremists are the majority they will just create an islamic state. If they are the minority they will probably continue terrorism and fight for their own state.

Kid, even when there are guarantees of freedom of religion?

Regardless, I think my point still stands. Democracies are inherently peaceful. They do not attack their neighbors for the purpose of spreading their ideology for that requires a willingness to suppress dissent even within their own borders. Suppression of dissent by the majority is not democracy. Such a tyranny of the majority is called one-party rule, nay dictatorship, and is in this hardly democratic in nature even if it may be democratic in form.

Iran may be a very good example of a Islamic dictatorship masking as a democratic country. When I say democracy though, I mean the true democracy that respects minority views and even will allow them to come in the power if they have the votes.

[Arrian]

Wow, just checking in after a few days away from news & internet...

This got BAD, huh?

Sorry to hear it. Serb - hang in there, man. I was pretty upset on 9/11 and the days immediately following it.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
Kid, even when there are guarantees of freedom of religion?

Much more when they are free to do so. We don't want them to practice it. Giving them the freedom to do it is plain stupid.

Democracies are inherently peaceful.

In Nediverse only. Your brand of democracy is actually very violent both domestically and internationally.

Such a tyranny of the majority is called one-party rule, nay dictatorship, and is in this hardly democratic in nature even if it may be democratic in form.

When you make people free to set up their state you give them the freedom to set up any type of govt they want. Terrorists don't want a democracy. You can't force it on them.

Iran may be a very good example of a Islamic dictatorship masking as a democratic country. When I say democracy though, I mean the true democracy that respects minority views and even will allow them to come in the power if they have the votes.

You want radical muslems to respect the views of minorities?

[Solomwi]

Serb, thanks for the account.