Attackers seize Russian school II(continued)

[Dr Strangelove]

We need information from him first. We need to root out the organization that planned and financed this.

[Ted Striker]

Alright, well let's get some info and then some Texas Justice.

[Dis]

I don't have much to say but

But I ask this. I have asked this before, but I'll ask it again.

Has terrorism ever worked?

[Heresson]

Yes, Israel state was created. Also, by terrorism, Armenians managed to kill people responsible for conducting the holocaust of Armenians.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Heresson
Yes, Israel state was created.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ted Striker

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ted Striker

It's a statement of fact. I don't see anything deserving of a rolleyes attack.

[Ted Striker]

No it's not, the situation is more complex than that. You can open another thread if you want about it.

[Ted Striker]

Without the intense pressure exerted by America, it is questionable whether the U.N. would have followed through and created a Jewish state at all. Abandonment of the Palestinian Mandate to the U.N. by the British, although accelerated by terrorism, ultimately resulted in the creation of a state that was much smaller than it otherwise might have been. The result of the terrorist actions of Israel's Irgun and Lehi was a weakened Israel, a half-century of war and insecurity, and thousands of additional Israeli deaths. Had America not backed the cause of Israel in the U.N., terrorism by Jewish extremists could have cost the Israelis their country entirely. Pre-1948 Jewish terrorism can therefore be seen as a classic example of the futility of terrorism as a military strategy.

http://brneurosci.org/israel-terrorism.html

The reason there is an Israel is because the USA told the United Nations to make one.

[Heresson]

Oh, c-mon. Don't argue.Surely it was more complex.
Terrorism wasn't the only thing that created Israel.
Jewish conspiracy was important too!

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


To be fair, they tried giving them independence once. Bascially what they did with their independence was the equivalent of setting up a Taliban run Afghanistan in Montana. A nice base for them to rain terror down on the Russians. The government in Chechnya could not control all of these terrorist elements so the Russians had to protect themselves. Remember, this is AFTER they gave them independence to do whatever they wanted to.

And taking back control helped them so well in the fight against terrorism

[Ted Striker]

They were doing way better until recently.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
They were doing way better until recently.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9911/18/osce.summit.03/

[Ned]

Originally posted by Serb
I don't think Russia will turn Chechnya into glass. It would be pretty stupid, just a punishing raid. And punishing raids do not solve the problem, they create new problems. What we need is to increase our security inside the country, perhaps by price of some freedoms, anyhow. I don't care how, but this shouldn't happen again. Also we had to find all those f*ckers and kill them, all terrorists, all their camps, no matter where, if will find some camps in Quatar or anywhere else we should press their government to bomb their camps to the ground or Russian forces under UN banner would do it. I guess we should go to UN with new kind of global anti-terrorist threaty. All countries should destroy terrorist camps on their territory, otherwise terrorism will never die. Those vahhabites would migrate from one country to another and still attack over and over again.

A lot of good ideas here. I would also think that you should also be a lot more cooperative with the United States and not so adverse to Israel. We are, after all, on the same side here in the war on terror. If we win, you win.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Ned


A lot of good ideas here. I would also think that you should also be a lot more cooperative with the United States and not so adverse to Israel. We are, after all, on the same side here in the war on terror. If we win, you win.

Ned i think it would be hard to argue that the antagonism between the US and Russia has been one sided. The US has snubbed and confronted Russia on more than one issue since Russia gained independance. Russia's lack of cooperation with the US seems to have been largely limited to it's opposition to the timing of the invasion of Iraq.