Attackers seize Russian school

[DinoDoc]

I can see che screaming bloody murder if Israel ever tried that.

[Solver]

Maybe they should tell the terrorists that for every child killed, 20 Chechen prisoners will be shot and buried in pig ****.

Even if Russia isn't a full democracy, such solutions are clearly impossible for any country that pretends to be or is civilized.

I'm so afraid that this may not end without big casualties .

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I can see che screaming bloody murder if Israel ever tried that.

Not if someone took a school full of children hostage.

[chequita guevara]

So I'm being politically inconsistent. These are children.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Not if someone took a school full of children hostage.

What the difference between blowing them away on a bus and holding them hostage? They both are likely to end up just as dead.

[Velociryx]

Well, the Russians didn't force the Chechins to "invade" the school, and they certainly can't negotiate with them without legitimizing the tactic.

Only solution is to force them out. With gas if possible, with bullets if not.

-=Vel=-
(and I have to agree...no difference here between blowing up a busload of kids than taking a school filled with them hostage and killing them later)

[Gangerolf]

I hope this ends well.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Hmm

Originally posted by pchang
Chegit's last two posts are quite contradictory. Which one does he really support?

Chechen aims and AQ aims coincide in some areas. I am not sure the Chechens want to impose a Taliban like state on the whole world. If they do, then Chechen aims and AQ aims are one and the same.

well first Im not sure that every chechen support Basayev and the radical leadership. What are Basayevs aims? Probably an Islamist state in Chechnya. Probably sees the revival of the Caliphate by AQ as principally a means to achieving his goals in Chechnya and its environs.

In any case he seems to work with AQ operationally - receiving support for operations in Chechnya and Russia, and sending Chechens to help as cannon fodder to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Serb

Be strong and promise (and fulfill his promise) that anyone who'll try that again will find punishment. No matter how, no matter where, matter when, but that evil will be punished.
In other words, how he says- "mochit' mudakov v sortire".
It's not possible to translate it. The most closest translation is - we will find the f*ckers anywhere, they'll regret about it, despite it will be the last thought in their f*cking heads.

If there were no Russians, there would be no Chechen terrorists.

[pchang]

There appear to be 2 types of terrorists in the world:

1) Those who want their own sovereign state.

2) Those who want to impose their view/religion/leadership on the rest of the world.

In many cases, the type 1 terrorists are really just type 2 terrorists starting with their first demand.

It may be possible to negotiate with the type 1 terrorists if one is willing to hand over the fate of the people who will be incorporated into their sovereign state to those terrorists. Such a thing is easier to do the farther away one is from those terrorists.

For type 2 terrorists, there are only 3 choices:
1) Die.
2) Convert to follow them.
3) Kill them before they kill us.

[Solver]

They won't be forced out with bullets. Escaped students report that they have explosive belts, and the terrorists have promised to blow the school up if a full-scale attack starts. Several officers made attempts to approach the building, but they were immediately stopped by gunfire from windows. So they can't even storm in...

[:) Smiley]

3rd choice is only acceptable one in this case. Or deport them all to northern Siberia. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but my sympathy for Islam has run out.

[Solver]

There is nothing wrong with Islam per se, and these terrorists do not represent the billion of Muslims in the world. To back that up immediately, one of the high-ranking Muslim clerics in North Osetia made an offer to exchange himself for hostages. That is noble action deserving respect.

[Velociryx]

Well, if it was me, here's what I'd do:

Do the standard negotiation thing, make the appearance of giving into some token demands to secure the release of as many kids as I could, and turn it into a waiting game.

They got no FOOD, and sooner or later, they're gonna get hungry. Want food...sure, I can help you with that....let some kids go, and its burgers and fries all around (or whatever ethnically pleasing food would be appropriate).

After a while, they'll get hot-headed and either make a mistake (snipers posted on surrounding rooftops would take advantage of any opening), or go boom...either way, they made the deciding move, and I had time to get as many kids out as possible.

No pretty solutions here.

-=Vel=-

[pchang]

For me - choice 3 is only acceptable one in all cases. As for Islam, I try to keep in mind that
Terrorist brand of Islam <> Islam in general
However, the longer I wait for Islam in general to rise up against the Terrorist brand of Islam, the harder it is for me to keep believing it.