Bush bashes Tory leader!

[MikeH]

So you think it's ok to try and persuade people that the war you are trying to start is valid based on some extremely tenuous and unreliable intelligence you are passing off as fact?

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't know if it's OK, as I don't really have enough information about what Bush & Blair knew to make that determination. It's certainly not unprecedented or surprising, though. When you're trying to sell something, you present the strongest case you possibly can and avoid weakening your case with qualifiers and contrary information. That's just the way it works.

[Whaleboy]

Not in war, a matter of force and not choice. The fact that they needed to make the argument, nevermind how tenuous it is, demonstrated that they had a choice.

[MikeH]

As an aside, when will Bush launch a verbal attack on a high ranking member of the church so we can have the thread "Bush Bashes Bishop"

[Drake Tungsten]

Not in war, a matter of force and not choice. The fact that they needed to make the argument, nevermind how tenuous it is, demonstrated that they had a choice.

War isn't a matter of choice?! What planet do you live on?

[Whaleboy]

Hmmm.... I know, let's declare war on someone.

Seems like a choice to me, as opposed to having war declared on you and your existence under threat, which isn't the case, no matter how much you abuse the memory of 9/11 to further your own political ends.

[Drake Tungsten]

That doesn't even make any sense...

[Whaleboy]

It makes perfect sense. If you have war declared upon you, nukes, ships, wave after wave of soldiers determined to end your existence, you have the right to defend yourself proportionally to preserve said existence. Thereby, you exercise the choice, live or die, which isn't much of a choice.

Where a situation exists where the choice results in you living either way, (or even less of you due to the war itself) you decide whether or not to declare that war, more a frivolity than a matter of necessity.

As for 9/11, I was anticipating the "we'll be suicide bombed into oblivion" BS that has often been the basis for the argument "we are at war, our survival is threatened by the terrorists"; equally BS since firstly it is woefully inaccurate and secondly does not even on its own merits justify a disproportionate response.

[Drake Tungsten]

[Whaleboy]

Drake's on drugs

[Drake Tungsten]

No, I'm psychotic. Get it straight...

[Whaleboy]

Then you should be on drugs

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Shouldn't leaders be worried about worst-case scenarios?

Why isn't Bush ****ting his pants over global warming then? Let alone presenting it as undeniable fact?

Oh, right.

[Ned]

Dauphin, if Bush wanted to do something about Global warming, he would simply have to cut the oil supplies to India and China.

[Whaleboy]

If he wanted to do something that would actually work, he would cut oil production and imports from Saudi to 0.