Bush bashes Tory leader!

[Ned]

Whaleboy, isn't that what I said? Cutting off India and China kills two birds with one stone. We solve global warming and oil prices fall due to lack of demand.

[MikeH]

How exactly would he achieve that? Short of starting the worst war in Human history?

[Ned]

MikeH, War? When has it ever mattered to a serious environmentalist whether human beings suffer and die so long as the environment is protected?

[MikeH]

Ned, don't be silly, nothing is more destructive to the environment than war.

[Whaleboy]

Whaleboy, isn't that what I said? Cutting off India and China kills two birds with one stone. We solve global warming and oil prices fall due to lack of demand.

Hardly, the USA still consumes more oil, basically we need to reduce global oil consumption and fossil-fuel carbon emissions to 0. If prices fall, the third world are likely to consume more oil in any case, the problem is compounded. Furthermore, I don't know where India and China get their oil but I know it's not the USA, considering it imports far, far more than it produces.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MikeH
Ned, don't be silly, nothing is more destructive to the environment than war.

Then I suggest that we pursuade the Chinese and Indians to voluntarily commit suicide to avoid disturbing the environment.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Whaleboy


Hardly, the USA still consumes more oil, basically we need to reduce global oil consumption and fossil-fuel carbon emissions to 0. If prices fall, the third world are likely to consume more oil in any case, the problem is compounded. Furthermore, I don't know where India and China get their oil but I know it's not the USA, considering it imports far, far more than it produces.

I hardly think that the US alone can still be enough to cause global warming. Let's check the models.

As to China and India, I was thinking of using our unchallengable fleet to divert tankers headed their way.

[Ned]

And, oh, if China and India were to both declare war on the United States, what could they actually do except file complaints with the UN?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Ned


I hardly think that the US alone can still be enough to cause global warming. Let's check the models.

As to China and India, I was thinking of using our unchallengable fleet to divert tankers headed their way.

Were you aware that Russia and the middle east have huge oil reserves and are connected by land to China and India?

Or that both India and China have nukes?

[Ned]

MikeH, pipelines don't stand a chance against our infinite range stealth bombers.

As to the nukes, ever hear of MAD? Besides, we will soon have a missle defense.

[Whaleboy]

Pretty much stole the words out of my keyboard MikeH.

I hardly think that the US alone can still be enough to cause global warming. Let's check the models.

25% of carbon emissions, and set to rise. As of now, any substantial increase from fossil fuels (causing a net increase to existing ecosystems) will simply compound the problem at the moment. There is enough in the atmosphere currently that increases beyond the capacity of the carbon sinks to absorb it, thereby maintaining or increasing present levels will cause serious harm.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Ned
Besides, we will soon have a missle defense.

[Whaleboy]

MikeH, pipelines don't stand a chance against our infinite range stealth bombers.

I find it highly unlikely that the USA will take on Russia and China in a war to reduce their oil consumptions when the effect on the American economy will be catastrophic by doing so? Infinite range? .

As to the nukes, ever hear of MAD? Besides, we will soon have a missle defense.

Missile. You expect that defense to last, what, 10 years before a countermeasure is found? I can't honestly see the USA going to war over this, and I cannot see any democracy doing anything except driving itself off a cliff... the political ramifications of the decision to eliminate the global consumption of fossil fuels are too great and would run contrary to the interests of democratic policians.

[Ned]

Whaleboy, the hypthetical is that Bush should take the matter seriously as if the matter of global warming were life and death. There are ways to handle "emissions" without reducing our own consumption one bit. I just laid a few ideas on the table.

And why do you think the Russians would go to war with the United States in order to rescue a few Chinese so that they can continue to pollute the world? Doesn't make sense if you presuppose that the Russians too were serious about global warming. But if they were not, and were more concerned about making oil profits, then I see them filing a very harsh complaint with the UN. Very harsh. Something we might even read.

[MikeH]

Earth calling Ned, Earth calling Ned, come in Ned!