Two Russian airliners down

[Bereta_Eder]

My condolences to Serb and the Russian people...

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Solver
Americans could share some experience, since they can't give Russians brains. Their handling of many situations (like the Oct 2002 hostage crisis) was horrible.

how could they have handled the theatre situation better?

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Solver
Except that Russians in Chechnya are even more trigger happy, care even less about casualties and created the threat for themselves, after missing a very real opportunity to give them independence and have peace.

An interesting bit. I've heard many times phrases that US soldiers killed x insurgents. Russians never say they kill Chechens - they 'eliminate' them instead.

Didn't the Russians pull out of Chechnya in I think 1997?

[Solver]

Didn't the Russians pull out of Chechnya in I think 1997?

They did pull out once, but it's a tricky story. No one really knows who is to blame. Perhaps it's really that Chechens didn't work to build their nation in that time, or perhaps it's that the Russian administration didn't really want to let them. In any case, there will most definitely not be a pull out while Putin is there.


Oh, and both plane crashes are now confirmed as acts of terror.

[Ted Striker]

Russians seem to have a different mindset.

Sortof a prideful, no holds barred, ruthless, win at all costs approach. The cost of life is measured differently than it is in the west.

Sometimes it works great, sometimes not

[Solver]

Because Russians still haven't learned to value human lifes and individuals, largely.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Solver

Didn't the Russians pull out of Chechnya in I think 1997?

They did pull out once, but it's a tricky story. No one really knows who is to blame.

This "no one" must be just you, or the typical prejudiced westerner. Irrespective of how one may view the current Russian campaign there, it is crystal clear to any unbiased observer what happened in Chechnya in between the wars.

[Serb]

Originally posted by paiktis22
My condolences to Serb and the Russian people...

Thank you.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Whoha


how could they have handled the theatre situation better?

I guess he means that Russians missed a real opportunity to surrender to terrorists and instead of surrender killed those glorious freedom fighters.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Solver
Americans could share some experience, since they can't give Russians brains. Their handling of many situations (like the Oct 2002 hostage crisis) was horrible.

You mean Americans should send some of their boys to Russia to educate Specnaz how to handle a hostage situation?

SWAT educating Specnaz how to deal with terrorists?

[Serb]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Actually, it looks like the Chechen leader is denying responsibility.

Who?

Chechens elected their leader yesterday but votes have not been counted yet.

[Sprayber]

It's easy for people to say this country or that had this comming to it but the people on board the planes didn't deserve to be killed any more than chechian civilians do. Whatever feelings I may have about Russia doing what it has done in Checnyia in the past is put aside by the fact that terrorist are terrorists and they need to be eliminated.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sprayber
It's easy for people to say this country or that had this comming to it but the people on board the planes didn't deserve to be killed any more than chechian civilians do. Whatever feelings I may have about Russia doing what it has done in Checnyia in the past is put aside by the fact that terrorist are terrorists and they need to be eliminated.

[Dis]

terrorism is terrorism. I am surprised by the lack of sympathy towards the russians.

Or is it people only care when terrorism happens to the U.S.?

This is a major terrorist attack here! From the media, you'd think it's something routine.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

We're the most powerful country in the world. If it doesn't happen to us (or effect us or israel), usually we don't carry it. Though if you'll check the BBC, they really don't have much on it either.