Price Gouging - Fair and balanced, or unfair

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So far, we always have solved the short run problems then - because we've derived the long run benefits.

Sometimes latter rather than sooner and with long run consequences.

How about we tackle this another time? Is it relevent?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


When did I say to use shovels instead of bulldozers when bulldozers are more efficient?

Do you intentionally miss the point?? You said earlier that you would get along fine enough without innovation. Well at some point a bulldozer was an innovation.

Avoiding innovation is inefficient.
Failing to reward innovation leads to less innovation. Any first year business psych course covers this and it has been seen in both planned and capitalist style economies . . . as soon as people see the rewards for innovation, suddenly there is more of it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


WHY?


I like the current system of democratic regulated capitalism ( I think Canada works fine thanks-- lots of problems but less than what I see in what you advocate). If I work hard, I get ahead-- if I don't my ass gets fired .. . seems "fair" to me

If I make money that I can save-- I accumulate wealth-- thats fair even if I have more or less than my neighbor

The government takes a chunk of my money and uses it to help out those with disabilities, mental and health problems AND those that are too lazy to get off their fat asses-- I find that fair too

I like our system and about the only thing that would cause me to bear arms would be the types of enforced "government" as proposed by kidicious. I would fight this until the day I died

Capitalism must be judged on it's record globally. That record is very poor. In the future the problems that exist will just get worse. I would have to say that the biggest benefit of communism has to be the end of war though.

[Flubber]

Ya vel

I want to hear how a society that would prevent me from working a second job would be in accordance with the commonly held idea of what constitutes a democracy?

[Velociryx]

Did you not get the memo, Master Flubber?

Thinking is okay. Go ahead and devote some resources to it. Just...you know...make sure you think about stuff that's part of official party dogma.

And don't spend too much time on it.

The benevolent state will do most of your thinking for you.

Cos that's fair.

That's....you know....justice.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Because you don't trust, the only possible way for their to be justice is to have tight control over every aspect of what everybody in your utopia is doing, how they do it, when and where they do it....the whole ball of wax.

And you're saying that ONLY THEN will we have "justice."

This is getting old, and irritating. I advocate collectively organizing our labor, not totalitarianism.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I would have to say that the biggest benefit of communism has to be the end of war though.

How will that happen with the civil strife from all the Vel's and Flubber's that will fight you .

I assume you are seeing the end of war through Global unification of some sort?? That'll be fun. What if the large Arab population votes to dispossess the Israeli's of their lands ( its a democracy right?)-- Or will your society ban religion?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


Who's justice?

For the exploited and oppressed people of the world.

[Velociryx]

Communism must be judged by its record globally...especially since it's a system all the Reds are chomping at the bit to implement globally.

That record is very poor.

In fact, the only two communist regiemes even worth talking about are China and Cuba.

Cuba is a one man show and a one trick pony, and as a nation, they come out only just barely above Haiti in terms of economic clout.

China has succeeded so far by embracing an increasing number of capitalistic ways.

Go figure.

-=Vel=-

PS to Kid: If it's getting old and irritating, it's because you say one thing and say you mean another. I can't help that. You're the one doing the talking. And you are most certainly NOT simply arguing for collectivizing our labor.

Doing that won't allow you a sufficient amount of power to tell me I can't get a second job, or what types of property I can and cannot own, or how I can use the things I create. Can it?

[Japher]

I advocate collectively organizing our labor, not totalitarianism.

So, just communism?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Capitalism must be judged on it's record globally. That record is very poor. In the future the problems that exist will just get worse. .

Interesting statement when the strongest economies and richest countries have systems of regulated capitalism. Over time I see things only getting better since government is continually improving those regulations. Also shareholders are beginning to take corporatins to task about their practices. You always seem to forget that the root owners of all these corporations are PEOPLE

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


This is getting old, and irritating. I advocate collectively organizing our labor, not totalitarianism.

So

how again do you stop me from getting a second job??

[Kidlicious]

btw, before we go on. I would like to emphasize quality over quantity. I'm reponding to a lot of repeatitive stuff here.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


For the exploited and oppressed people of the world.

oh ya right--- them -- which you would define to include any burger flipper that doesn't make as much as his boss

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
Ya vel

I want to hear how a society that would prevent me from working a second job would be in accordance with the commonly held idea of what constitutes a democracy?

Work has to be disributed equally too.