American Worldwide Withdrawal Begins

[Harovan]

True, and neither should we. Besides, little did you achieve. The murdering, raping and ethnic cleansing continues, only the other way around. And your (and sadly our too) soldiers stand and do nothing.

[The Mad Monk]

Now I'm going to have to ask which wars you think we started.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Agathon


That's because we told you to **** off 20 years ago, little boy.

Right after you peeked out from behind our skirts and realized that the coast was clear, Japan was defeated and the commies seemed to be on the decline.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by problem_child


Actually loads of people tried to vote for someone else, but some swift and thuruough ballot tampering and the criminalization and right-to-vote-denial of vast numbers of black Floridans who (technically) had never been convicted of anything in their life was enough to save the day, and ensure that Democracy served its purpose once more.

Now if you could just figure out where we hid that beam that makes so many british men sound like *****es.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
It is definitely great news. Time to celebrate.

Pack your bags soon.

Safe travels.

And never come back!

We didn't want to come the last time, you Germans declared war on us (and just about everyone else in the world).

[Harovan]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Now I'm going to have to ask which wars you think we started.

Out of the last five years its Kosovo (admittedly not started, but illegally meddled into a civil war), Afghanistan (an attack by terrorists=criminals does not justify the invasion of a souvereign country, even though it's a fundamentalist one with no friends) and Iraq. For the latter you will probably bring the old excuse, that it was the continuation of GW1, since no peace treaty had been signed. A lot of people see this different.

Prior to that, a lot has happened, from the Dominican Republic, over Libya, Lebanon, Grenada and Panama, to name only a few. Not all of them qualify as full fledged wars and I am sure you may think that some of them are justified. This is, again, in the eye of the beholder.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Sikander
We didn't want to come the last time, you Germans declared war on us (and just about everyone else in the world).

Really? I must have forgotten this. But the Russians left 1991. So why are you still here?

[The Mad Monk]

I knew it -- another victim of misinformation.

[The Mad Monk]

Out of those you mentioned, only Panama, Afghanistan and Iraq qualify. Surely you know more, if they are more than you can count.

[Harovan]

I am really sorry if I can't share your "we are always right and the others are always wrong" attitude.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Out of those you mentioned, only Panama, Afghanistan and Iraq qualify. Surely you know more, if they are more than you can count.

So how was Kosovo justified? Who allowed the NATO (= effectively the US) to intervene? I don't try justify Milosevic, but there is a lot of civil wars going on in the world, with lots of victims and refugees. This doesn't make these countries free for invasions. And what was going on in Yugoslavia was far far away from being genocide, which would justify an intervention.

[The Mad Monk]

We're talking about wars America started. Justification is another topic -- though I believe we were justified in most cases.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Surely you know more, if they are more than you can count.

By the way, I'm at work, and was yesterday when I posted this too. I really shouldn't be posting in this time. So allow me here and there a loophole to bail out of time consuming discussions.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
We're talking about wars America started. Justification is another topic -- though I believe we were justified in most cases.

This is a matter of definition. To meddle into a civil war from outside, thus making it an interstate war, could as well been seen as having started the war in the word's classical sense. A civil war is an internal affair and justifies external intervention only in rare exceptions.

[The Mad Monk]

K.