Chavez is da man

[Urban Ranger]

What facts?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Um businesses shutting down, perhaps? Che doesn't disagree, he just says the owners closed them to manipulate opinion against Chavez... fantastic the lengths the conspiracy theory can go.

[St Leo]

Fantastic? Yes, a business shutting down to manipulate political opinion is radically different from Enron shutting down power plants in California to manipulate... stuff.

[Kuciwalker]

Enron didn't lose money buy shutting down power plants.

[Drake Tungsten]

Chavez is losing. Woot!

[Agathon]

Show us your proof

There was a documentary crew in Venezuela making a film at the time of the coup. They got the whole thing on tape, including the so called incident where Chavez supporters fired on protesters. They then showed the "independent" Venezuelan media reports. What the "independent" media did was stitch together film from two separate incidents to make it look as if Chavez' supporters had fired on the protest (if you remember, that was a big deal at the time). In fact, if you ran the film on it showed that the Chavez supporters were firing back at snipers who were attacking them. The camera panned over the area where the opposition protesters who were "being fired on" were in the other film and there was no one there. The film showing Chavez supporters attacking the opposition was a cut and paste job.

After seeing that it was pretty plain to me that the opposition dominated media was just making stuff up.

The rest of the documentary was a pretty big eye opener too. Whatever you think of the politics of the filmmakers, they hit a home run with the protest footage.

I forget what the documentary was called, it played on The Passionate Eye here a number of times last year. Have a look around, there may be a copy on the web. I think this is it:

http://www.chavezthefilm.com/html/home.htm

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Chavez is losing. Woot!

Well, he has all but one media outlet against him. It was always going to be hard.

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't worry, Aggie. He probably won't accept the election results anyway and then they'll have to kill him. That'll provide decades worth of fodder for leftist conspiracy theorists...

[St Leo]

Hmm. If Chavez does lose, he's going to run again in the upcoming election.

UK's Independent Newspaper Falsifies Venezuela Election Results!

Critical Stakes in Venezuela's Election

[St Leo]

Yes for Plutocracy...

[St Leo]

...or for Democracy?

[JCG]

Originally posted by Agathon
There was a documentary crew in Venezuela making a film at the time of the coup.

No comment....

https://www.petitiononline.com/gusano03/petition.html

[Agathon]

As I said, you can fault the politics of the documentary makers, but the proved to any reasonable person that the opposition were liars. The film clip in that case spoke for itself.

I make no substantive claims about the rest of it.

Don't worry, Aggie. He probably won't accept the election results anyway and then they'll have to kill him.

That would be out of character. He has always been pretty scrupulous when it comes to votes. Trash the guy for other things if you like, but don't accuse him of that. If he'd wanted to act like a fascist, he could have stopped the recall.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by JCG
No comment....

www.petitiononline.com/gusano03/petition.html

The site's down.

[Agathon]

It's a complaint about the film I referenced. However, it's besides the point. You could complain all you like about the structure and focus of the film, but no reasonable person who saw the media reports and then the clip of the protest could deny that the Venezuelan media did a cut and paste job. I've yet to see similar proof that Chavez has done anything like this.