Tax the rich!!!

[David Floyd]

I'm against welfare as long as there is an alternative.

Alternative, as in a nice inheritance check at the right time, maybe?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by David Floyd

Well, if the Free State Project kicks off, we'll get to see firsthand instead of just talking about it.

Like I said, I honestly would like to see both the Libs and the Commies fire up test case projects (hopefully w/o too much malicious intereference from outside) so the rest of us can observe (and probably laugh quite a bit). Hell, we might even learn something useful.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

Commies had thier shot (Russia & China). It's about time Libs got thier turn.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Commies had thier shot (Russia & China). It's about time Libs got thier turn.

Yes, but only Leninists, Stalinists and Maoists had their chance. regular Marxists and other possible variations did not.

Let the libs have their small scale game- it should collapse quickly enough.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Commies had thier shot (Russia & China). It's about time Libs got thier turn.

The libs had their turn after the American Revolution. There were several problems for the working class and even business class.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
The US just is NOT overrun by poverty - we are largely middle class, relative to the rest of the world, and relative to many parts of the world, the poorest Americans are fabulously wealthy.

You have no idea how the poorest Americans live. Anyone who spouts this line about how the poorest Americans live like kings compared to the rest of the world is either mendacious or just plain ignorant. The poorest Americans live in hell. And many illegal migrant workers live in the circle below that.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by GePap
Yes, but only Leninists, Stalinists and Maoists had their chance. regular Marxists and other possible variations did not.

The shot the Leninists got was in the head, by the Stalinists.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
Besides, the notion of a "middle class" is brand new. For most of history those were the two choices.

So? We don't live in most of history. We live now.

Duh.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You forgot, poverty is relative.

I guess in 300 years people will be *****ing about making "only $10 million a year" and "barely being able to pay of the loan for their 2nd spaceship"

[Arrian]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You have no idea how the poorest Americans live. Anyone who spouts this line about how the poorest Americans live like kings compared to the rest of the world is either mendacious or just plain ignorant. The poorest Americans live in hell. And many illegal migrant workers live in the circle below that.

This is one of those rare occasions when I must agree with my favorite commie.

There is something known as the "cost of living." Just because $10,000 would make one rich in Africa does NOT mean someone who makes 10 grand/yr. in the USA isn't poor. It's all relative to what it costs to get the basics: a place to live, food, *basic* medical care, etc. Of course we can haggle over exactly what is "basic" and what is "luxury," but claiming that the American poor are actually wealthy is moronic.

At the same time, claiming that 40k per and a 1yr old car = poor is just silly. Hell, I make 50k and have a 2 yr old car (though it is an Accord, not a Civic). Does that make me poor? I think not. I'm nowhere near poor.

-Arrian

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Hmm, I suppose you see my point about welfare now.

I pointed this out at least a page ago

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You forgot, poverty is relative.

I guess in 300 years people will be *****ing about making "only $10 million a year" and "barely being able to pay of the loan for their 2nd spaceship"

No, they'll be *****ing about the fact that they can't afford a decent place to live while working two jobs and can't afford to have someone look after the kids . . . OMFG, that sounds just like today.

Poverty isn't just relative. It is also absolute. While its true that someone on a poverty wage in America could live like a king overseas, they live in America, not overseas. The $100 a month airconditioned hotel room does a person in the U.S. no damned good, when affordable rent for low-income people doesn't exist anymore.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I pointed this out at least a page ago

Yeah, well some of you can't get over the fact that I don't propose a giant welfare state.

[Arrian]

No one is really clear on what you do propose, other than that rich people are bad and lazy and don't deserve their money.

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

A good starting place for right-wing clueless types would be Barbara Ehrenreich's book, Nickle and Dimed. For those of us who've been really poor, the book is kinda like a, yeah, duh. I think a lot of people, however, really don't understand how hard it is to be poor in America.