Tax the rich!!!

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Velociryx
36k trust fund millionaires
vs
234k boostraped ones

Again....which number is bigger? I know math's not my strong suit, so...help me out.

Counting individuals only makes sense if they have the same wealth. If their wealth is unequal, this comparison makes absolutely no sense. You have to compare the aggregate weatlh of both sides instead.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes.

The difference between liberal and conservative.

Liberals want to regulate business and help people.
Conservatives want to help business and regulate people.

You seem to fall in the former camp.

if business wasnt too busy trying to meet investor needs rather than people's needs i would support business rather than government

If i could create a charity that people would want to contribute to i would.

i also dont believe that the terms liberal and conservitive fully define what a person is.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MRT144
i also dont believe that the terms liberal and conservitive fully define what a person is.

No single term, except maybe human being, does. That's not a failing of terms though. It's a failing of people to realize that necessarily limited terms don't limit the person.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'm still working on my second 100,000. I think I made my first last year. It took twenty years of working to hit 100,000. If things continue like the have for the past few years, I should have earned a million dollars by the time I'm sixty. Of course, I will likely have spent it all.

What do you do for a living?

[Velociryx]

The answer to the creation of a just society, Kid, is not...I repeat, is NOT to be found in creating a society where everybody sticks their nose in everyone else's business for a full, detailed accounting of who's got what, in order to take from those who, through their god given talents begin to pull ahead of the pack.

If you wanna live in a society where "one good turn-in deserves another" great! Absolutely fantastic!

But that's about as far away from "just" as I can imagine.

-=Vel=-

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Your hypothetical scenario bears zero resemblance to reality.



Again, your hypothetical scenario bears zero resemblance to reality.

How is this accusation helpful? Give us a comparible analogy which would bare a much closer resemblance to reality.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'm still working on my second 100,000. I think I made my first last year. It took twenty years of working to hit 100,000. If things continue like the have for the past few years, I should have earned a million dollars by the time I'm sixty. Of course, I will likely have spent it all.

I thought it was suppossed to be easy to become an internet millionaire according to you. Where's the millions?

if business wasnt too busy trying to meet investor needs rather than people's needs

What are investors? Trees?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Japher
Learn to make money, and not earn it.

You can't make money unless someone earns it. Think about that.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


What do you do for a living?

I think he's unemployed atm.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
And Berz made the point about a dozen times now that people usually don't inherit wealth until after they're already well on they're way to being rich, or are already there.

What Berz missed completely is the help these people received from their families when they started out. Such as knowing the right people or giving them seed money.

As GePap pointed out, how many of these self-made millionaires started from the bottom 5% or 10%?

[Velociryx]

UR: It makes perfect sense.

The original hypothesis was that you're far more likely to be born into wealth than to bootstrap your way to it.

The hypothesis said NOTHING about who accumulates more wealth, only that you cross the line.

Earlier, we determined that a cool mil was "rich" so using that as a starting point, I gathered the data and...pretty well blew said hypothesis outta the water.



-=Vel=-

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Geronimo
How is this accusation helpful? Give us a comparible analogy which would bare a much closer resemblance to reality.

It is not an accusation, it's a rebuttal.

Berzerker was trying to establish some kind of la-la land hypothetical, thus it is up to him to make it work. Distractors only need to point out the flaws in his model.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
The answer to the creation of a just society, Kid, is not...I repeat, is NOT to be found in creating a society where everybody sticks their nose in everyone else's business for a full, detailed accounting of who's got what, in order to take from those who, through their god given talents begin to pull ahead of the pack.

If you wanna live in a society where "one good turn-in deserves another" great! Absolutely fantastic!

But that's about as far away from "just" as I can imagine.

-=Vel=-

How can we have justice if we don't pay attention?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
What Berz missed completely is the help these people received from their families when they started out. Such as knowing the right people or giving them seed money.

As GePap pointed out, how many of these self-made millionaires started from the bottom 5% or 10%?

We're talking about the inheritence tax, right?

[Velociryx]

How can we have justice when we send any and everybody who doesn't preach the party gospel and march in perfect goose-stepping fashion to the beat of the party drum to special "re-education camps" and make their families disappear in the night?

-=Vel=-