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  • From the article Vel posted:

    Despite the rise of self-made millionaires, the growing fortunes of the wealthy highlight the extent to which wealth remains concentrated among the few. Even after the huge economic gains during the bull market of the late 1990s, the wealthiest 1% in the U.S. control more than a third of the nation's wealth -- the starkest such concentration among industrialized countries.

    A new study by Edward N. Wolff, a wealth expert and an economics professor at New York University, shows that while average families made some gains in the late 1990s -- due mainly to rising income, real estate and stocks -- the concentration of wealth held in the U.S. remained largely unchanged. The wealthiest 5% controlled 59.2% of the nation's wealth in 2001, little changed from the 60.3% in 1995.


    Underscoring the concentration of wealth among the very rich, a study last fall by Arthur Kennickell of the Federal Reserve Board shows the nation's wealthiest 1% owned about $2.3 trillion in stocks, or about 53% of all individually or family-held shares. The wealthiest 1% owned 64% of bonds held by families or individuals, and 31% of total financial assets held by families or individuals, which includes everything from stocks to bonds to cash.


    Maybe people should read the whole thing they post, and not just cherrypick facts they think bolster their case....

    Oh, and if "making millionaries" is that important, move to China, that bastion of freedom:

    In Asia, India and China continued to set the pace for wealth creation. China's voracious demand for goods helped create new millionaires throughout the region, with South Korea, Thailand and Indonesia all benefitting. The number of high-net-worth individuals in Asia rose 8.4%, with 11.8% growth in China and 21.9% growth in India. After being plagued by a real-estate bust and plunging stock prices in 2002, Hong Kong's financial millionaires rebounded to 2001 levels because of rising asset prices, increased demand from China and foreign direct investment, according to the report.


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    • outsourcing is tough beans for americans. move to india if you want to stay ahead of the curve
      "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
      'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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      • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
        You are such a petty little *****.
        Arrogance in others brings it out.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • DD, that can't be true. Otherwise you'd never be able to log off 'Poly.

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          • nm
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • Originally posted by Geronimo
              Then perhaps you could start by pointing out at least some of the flaws, perhaps the most glaring of them. simply saying "everything you said is wrong" doesn't invite much discussion does it? And to be fair a quick look at his analogy showed portions that had obvious resemblance to portions of reality but I agree that this is insufficient to necessarily make for a useful analogy all by itself.
              I did point out the flaw, namely, his hypothetical has no resemblance to reality.

              People do not become rich by working harder. There's a local saying that goes, "A cattle works hard too, you don't see it strike it rich." Don't you think a blacksmith in a pre-industrial town worked hard? How many of them got rich that way?

              It's only in some la-la land where the rich becomes rich because they work hard and those who are poor are their own damn fault.
              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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              • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                DD, that can't be true. Otherwise you'd never be able to log off 'Poly.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • GRRR...Kid...I'll do it cos it's you and you're so d@mned stubborn that WHEN I do, you prolly still won't admit it, but....you DID ask for it

                  *sigh*

                  -=Vel=-
                  The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                  • I did point out the flaw, namely, his hypothetical has no resemblance to reality.


                    And you failed to provide a specific reason why.

                    People do not become rich by working harder.


                    If I only work 20 hours a week, let's say I earn X dollars. If I work 40 hours a week, I'll earn 2*X dollars. You become rich by being talented and applying that talent (ie working hard).

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                    • Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                      It's only in some la-la land where the rich becomes rich because they work hard and those who are poor are their own damn fault.
                      UR! THANK YOU! This is what ive been waiting for. I question whether hard work is really all there is to life. Goddamn calvinist thinking!
                      "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                      'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                      • Originally posted by Velociryx
                        GRRR...Kid...I'll do it cos it's you and you're so d@mned stubborn that WHEN I do, you prolly still won't admit it, but....you DID ask for it

                        *sigh*

                        -=Vel=-
                        How can I say that I didn't say something when you quote me and give the proper context?
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                        • a man is rich in his happiness, not in what he possesses
                          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                          'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                          • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            Why don't you dazzle us with the wisdom you gleamed from you famous quick web searches, UR?
                            You are already permanently blinded by my dazzles, DD.
                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                            • GP - That's a good idea! And so you know, I DID read the article in its entirety, and NONE of the facts you posted in any way change the fact that the original hypothesis as given is still.....say it with me....FALSE!

                              -=Vel=-
                              (amazing, I know)
                              The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                              • Kid...oh, I dunno...reality hasn't gotten in your way before...why start now, right?

                                -=Vel=-
                                The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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