Tax the rich!!!

[Velociryx]

Thought you'd get a kick, Kid....and you know I just love razzing you...

-=Vel=-

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
When did you make your first million, che? I'll come over and take 90% of your money.

I'm still working on my second 100,000. I think I made my first last year. It took twenty years of working to hit 100,000. If things continue like the have for the past few years, I should have earned a million dollars by the time I'm sixty. Of course, I will likely have spent it all.

[MRT144]

che, do you think youve lead a good life?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Geronimo -

That's a bogus argument, liberals won't let people hand over their money to their offspring when they're alive so they can avoid the death tax, there are all sorts of limits on what parents can give their kids to ensure there are estates liberals can tax to high heaven.



It's called respecting their wishes. Dying people feel better when we do that...



They can't make money when their dead either. So the money being taken was earned when they were alive, and that's when they are enslaved. Might as well tell people to spend everything they have because you will take it when they die. Hell, might as well send grave diggers into coffins to grab any other possessions they're buried with. Better yet, why bury people in marked graves we're supposed to leave indisturbed? According to you, they shouldn't even own the burial plot.

I do indeed suggest that people spend everything they have before they die. I even quoted carnegie earlier to the same effect.

Your other main point appears to be that we should give post mortem transactions the same value as we give to our control of our property while alive because to do otherwise would be to show no respect to the dead. Well, I certainly agree that respect for the dead is a good thing and I also agree that it is nice for people who are facing imminent death to feel better. However I daresay that you think that giving food and shelter to hungry homeless people is a nice thing and that people starving and being homeless is bad. However I don't think you would allow that these considerations should receive the same weight as your right to control your own property.

I maintain that the estate tax (while bad) is less bad than the income tax or sales tax or any other tax because it doesn't at any time constrain my control over my property. The others all require me to surrender control to others. The estate tax only hits when I have already surrendered my control anyway or when I am incable of making any decisions whatsoever.

So in summation I accept the estate tax as the least of the the available evils while also agreeing that respect for the dead is a good thing. Did that help illuminate my position?

[Japher]

A penny saved... eh Che? The trick is to make that a penny made.

Learn to make money, and not earn it.

[Velociryx]

Watch out now, Japher...you're in danger of joining me over here in the "faith zone"

-=Vel=-

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Japher
A penny saved... eh Che? The trick is to make that a penny made.

Learn to make money, and not earn it.

learn that at the end of your life how much money you made didnt make you a better, more worthy person. unless youre a calvinist

[Velociryx]

An excellent point, MRT....but you eat better and can pay for LOTS of therapy...

-=Vel=-

[Berzerker]

im not a liberal, doofus.

the thing that i dont think is important are the ideas that work and your means to work are all that you are worth, and all you should care about. this ties into my belief that to sustain a society where this idea is rejected there must also be a system that provides basics to people(health care, food, clothing, and shelter, work)

That makes you a liberal How about a car too? Need to be able to get to work you know

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MRT144
che, do you think youve lead a good life?

Better than many, not as good as I'd like. I'd like to make enough one year to save for the times when I'm not working. I'm heavily in debt, but that's mostly student loans, which go on hold when you're unemployed, and I'm smart enough to have unemployment insurance for my credit cards, so my credit rating doesn't get worse (despite groups like Consumer Reports saying its a bad investment).

Up until a couple of years ago, though, I could not really say that was the case. I have been homeless. I have had sleepless nights trying to figure out how the hell I was gonna keep a roof over our heads, the power and telephone on, etc.

Health care is a great worry for me, since any sickness / accident on my part means a serious depletion of our income (even on unemployment, you have to be able to work).

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Gepap, the "estate" tax is a death tax, it's a tax we selectively impose on people when they die. If they didn't die, the tax wouldn't apply.

Again, what's wrong with that?

Certainly, whatever money and assets a person receives through inheritance should be counted as income. He did not pay a single penny of tax on that.

[MRT144]

no. you dont get it. because i believe providing the essentials to people through the tax dollars of those who have more than 10x the income of the needy, makes me a liberal?

i believe everyone has unailable rights, some of which are basic needs being met.

i dont believe in gun control. I dont believe in beuracracy. i dont believe that pansy ass, the earth is sacred, animals are people bull****. I just believe in providing people the basics they need, so they can attain what they want out of life.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MRT144
no. you dont get it. because i believe providing the essentials to people through the tax dollars of those who have more than 10x the income of the needy, makes me a liberal?

Yes.

The difference between liberal and conservative.

Liberals want to regulate business and help people.
Conservatives want to help business and regulate people.

You seem to fall in the former camp.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Everyone in a community starts out with $100. Some people, being more inventive, more hard working, etc., figure out ways to turn that $100 into $1000 while others squander what they have. Now the people who squandered their money ask those who did not for help.

Your hypothetical scenario bears zero resemblance to reality.

Originally posted by Berzerker
The "rich" say, "sure, I've figured out a way to make farming more productive with this machine and I need help making machines". So they hire the less inventive who've squandered their money. Result: the "rich" get richer and their employees regain what they lost and more in addition to a better sense of hard work and responsibility.

Again, your hypothetical scenario bears zero resemblance to reality.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Japher
It ain't what you are born into it is what you become...

And several people are arguing successfully that those are more often the same thing.

Originally posted by Japher
Why are people more concerned with Other Peoples Money than with their own. Get your own! And, Kid, if you want help I have good connections in Fresno.

Was I asking for help for myself? No. I'm arguing for a just society.