BBC exposes BNP

[C0ckney]

Should someone be prosecuted for saying "Go and kill white people"? - i just dont think they should, its a slippery slope once you go down that path(which we already have in the UK).

no they get £1000s in benefits and a police escort to go and preach their hatred, like the charming fellow in EK's picture.

i watched the show last night, it was good enough but didn't do much more than state the obvious, 'the BNP in racist thugs shocker!!'

but one thing did catch my attention, they talked about a case of asian men praying on young white girls (had to do with drugs and the like) in keighly, the BBC went to great lengths to say that both white and asian men had been suspected in those cases. however i'm pretty sure that it was these incidents that channel 4 made a program about a couple of months ago, where the program makers made basically the same claims that the BNP had been making (albeit in a far less extreme manner), the program was never aired (it may be aired later this year) because of fears it would 'spark racial tension'. makes you wonder doesn't it...

[Whaleboy]

I agree. They could do similar on any political party and find "activists" and "members" saying some things with which the party does not agree.

You'd be far better off judging the party on its members, and not its manifesto. Only the naive would think that a party would stick to its manifesto when in power, and that it is not merely a ploy in the case of any party to gain popularity. To test someone, you put them in power, that gives their true colours an opportunity to shine through, and the BNP's are brown.

Furthermore, no-one is denying that there is political correctness at work here, and it makes me uncomfortable. One is far better-off attacking the BNP for its members, history, politicies, actions and intentions instead of a quota for positive discrimination. The BNP and its bedfellows need to understand that they have woefully flawwed arguments and an inept understanding of politics, ethics and history, as well as a number of people, the prospect of who's coming into any power puts the fear of god into me, and that the "liberal-left" of people who actually think about such things and understand the danger of the nationalists/fascists has plenty more to attack them with than censorship, ad hominem and inconsideration - traits that on paper are exclusive to the fascists and populists themselves! I think we should address the BNP, their arguments, their history, their demographic and the reasons why a few people feel so compelled to vote for them, and that needs to be dealt with by the media. I believe that would be a far more effective means of turning the public rightfully against the BNP instead of painting them as a collection of beer-swilling, slack-jawwed, unintelligibly simple minded lager louts. Of course that description fits many of its supporters but unfortunately their threat and potential doesn't stop at the pub doors, as we have seen so many times before in history .

[C0ckney]

You'd be far better off judging the party on its members, and not its manifesto.

indeed. when i think of labour i can't help but think of george galloway and ken livingston

[Whaleboy]

Galloway is an idiot, Livingston is a good leader, provided he isn't required to think.

As much as I hate politics, (which corrupt, lying, inconsiderate man do I choose?) the lib dems do rule!

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by C0ckney


no they get £1000s in benefits and a police escort to go and preach their hatred, like the charming fellow in EK's picture.

thats the fault of the benefits system then(and the government for not making the system better).

i watched the show last night, it was good enough but didn't do much more than state the obvious, 'the BNP in racist thugs shocker!!'

but one thing did catch my attention, they talked about a case of asian men praying on young white girls (had to do with drugs and the like) in keighly, the BBC went to great lengths to say that both white and asian men had been suspected in those cases. however i'm pretty sure that it was these incidents that channel 4 made a program about a couple of months ago, where the program makers made basically the same claims that the BNP had been making (albeit in a far less extreme manner), the program was never aired (it may be aired later this year) because of fears it would 'spark racial tension'. makes you wonder doesn't it...

I dont like the hypocracy either, but this kind of mud slinging doesn't help anything - it just makes matters worse.
In this case Idiology is the poison but it should be allowed to be expressed even if of a very negative nature.

If the actions inspired by that idiology break laws then prosecute those actions - not the ideas behind them or we will be in a nasty situation one day when we wake up.

[C0ckney]

yeah i don't like a lot of our incitement laws which threatern freedom of speech either. if abu hamza wants to preach 'death to the west' or the BNP want to say 'kick the pakis out' then let them as far i'm concerned, but don't make me pay to protect their ignorant arses.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by C0ckney


no they get £1000s in benefits and a police escort to go and preach their hatred, like the charming fellow in EK's picture.

The charming fellow is reason why a new law banning Incitement to Religious Hatred is being proposed. I'm in favour of it.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

To be honest, I've no idea why the BNP is upset about that documentary. As they are a respectable, non-racist political organisation surely they should welcome the opportunity to identify and weed out those who might tarnish their good name. It sends out mixed messages if they kick out the offenders, but then wail about being victimised, after all.

I'd heard that two BNP members had been expelled and one disciplined. Can any confirm which ones it was?

Was it-

The elected councillor who admitted to putting dog excrement through the letter-boxes of Indian takeaways?

The activist who admitted kicking an Asian unconscious?

The elected councillor who said he dreamed of "killing pakis" and kept fantasising about being a racist sniper?

Mark Collett, star of last year's "Young, racist and proud" who appeared to admit to complicity in the harassment of left-wingers and journalists who "need a good twatting"? As well as calling asylum seekers "cockroaches"?

John "50 years an unapologetic Nazi" Tyndall?

Or good old Nick "in Col. Gadaffi's pocket" Griffin?

[The Viceroy]

Laz, it was the two who admitted to actually commiting a crime, simply dreaming of commiting one is not illegal, although Nick Griffin did say on newsnight that he thought the 3rd was up before a tribunal, and was likely to be kicked out...

Gibsie, actually, i did watch both the documentry and the newsnight interview, and my comments were directed at the newsnight interview. Quite how you can know what I did or didn't do is beyond me ?? you could simply say you didn't think what I had said bore out in the documentry, and i could have told you why.

To address the issue of Nick Griffin having the balls to say what he thinks, well, again, I was refering to the newsnight interview !! he claims (and you take his claim at whatever value you please) that these guys were planted by socialist worker (or some socialist anti-nazi group), he also claimed that the BBC journalist (who denies this) got one guy drunk to get him to say what he said ..

I have no time whatsoever for the BNP and what it believes, those who know me, know I am married to an Indian, and that I spend a lot of my time in India, but I defend their right to say that Islam is evil .. even if I think they are wrong. I do not support the right to wish to kill people, thats different completely .. but Nick Griffin did not say he wanted to kill Pakistani's, he wanted to rid britain of Islam through deportation .. that in itself is a pipe dream, and would be a complete disaster .. but simply saying it is not illegal...

I am more than happy for people to judge the BNP by what they say, but let them say it, and let them discredit themselves .. cencorship will only increase there support, and I think that is very dangerous indeed .. its only when you hear what they have to say, that you realise how unelectable they are.

[Whaleboy]

The Viceroy: We make them illegal, they get more support and their ridiculous discrimination complex may start to look superficially valid. Let them say it, let me shout them down.

[Gibsie]

What censorship are you referring to anyway? The views of the BNP were broadcast totally unedited on prime-time BBC after all- no censorship there The BNP could be accused of censoring its own members for what they said, perhaps...

Also also- next time in a thread which is specifically referring to a specific subject, if you're going to make a post about something relating to the subject, then make it clear you're not referring to what everyone else in the entire thread is talking about. The only way people can know you're talking about Newsnight rather than the actual subject is if you tell them.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by The Viceroy
I have no time whatsoever for the BNP and what it believes, those who know me, know I am married to an Indian, and that I spend a lot of my time in India

Do you think that absolves someone automatically from possesing a racist mentality?

Note: this is not about you, it's a general question.

[Whaleboy]

Not necessarily, merely a nationalist one.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by The Viceroy
Laz, it was the two who admitted to actually commiting a crime, simply dreaming of commiting one is not illegal, although Nick Griffin did say on newsnight that he thought the 3rd was up before a tribunal, and was likely to be kicked out...

I see. The ones of little importance. Somehow I thought that might be the case.

.. but Nick Griffin did not say he wanted to kill Pakistani's, he wanted to rid britain of Islam through deportation .. that in itself is a pipe dream, and would be a complete disaster .. but simply saying it is not illegal...

That's not what he said at all. Are you sure you watched it?

He linked the alleged paedophile drug rapes in Keighley with quotes from the Koran, stated that Islam effectively encourages such acts to non-Moslems, and said that anyone who had children would, unless they acted, see Moslems "do for them".

And that, you have to admit, is rather more severe.

I am more than happy for people to judge the BNP by what they say, but let them say it, and let them discredit themselves .. cencorship will only increase there support, and I think that is very dangerous indeed .. its only when you hear what they have to say, that you realise how unelectable they are.

In the 1950's their forefathers were banned outright, and it gained them no support. If you think there should be no restrictions on speech, try shouting "Fire!" in a packed theatre.

[The Viceroy]

Gibsie, Ok, yes your right, I did not specify what I was quoting in the orginal post.. sorry. However, please .. don't let it spoil your day !! Were all friends here .. right ??

Paiktis ha ha .. actually, you are quite right, there was a case recently where a chap was planning to kill muslims, and he was married (or living with) a chinese lady .. I think there is a difference though between racial hatred in general, and the hatred of particular groups !! a bit like some people I know who hate Britain

Being a nationalist doesn't mean you have to be from any particular race though, and I think thats a trap which you can catch the racist in, by seeing if they accept the patriotic black or asian into their fold !!
I did hear one BNP supporter mouthing it off about the locals speaking Gujarati .. this coming from a Bradford based councillor/hopeful .. where the local muslim's speak Urdu .. ha ha ha .. oh well.. but its that kind of complete ignorance which scares me about these people, they say they hate muslims, but then it becomes obvious they couldn't tell the difference between a muslim or a hindu, nevermind a sikh ..

I actually think the BBC should take Nick Griffin's offer of a 30minute program about the Qaran (and why he thinks its evil), and invite a few respected Imam's on live TV.. ha ha ha .. something tells me he wouldn't take the offer up.