France!

[Drake Tungsten]

Great, now you're being magnanimous. That really pisses me off...

[KrazyHorse]

I knew it would.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Outside of official proclamations, nobody seems to be particularly surprised. That suggests, to me, that whether the attack took place or not, we've got a problem bigger than a "troubled young woman" or a "group of disturbed young men".

Don't say that. People are going to criticize your holier-than-thou attitude and bigoted mindset.

Criticizing me for being holier-than-thou (not hard, in thy case!) and a bigot is like criticizing the pope for being a catholic.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Perhaps, but in that case it might be better to discuss it in another thread. I dont think youre gonna have a coherent discussion of a problem in a thread about a case where that problem didnt actually occur.

Perhaps. People, however, made the remarks about it being just a "troubled young woman" or a "group of disturbed young men" in this thread, so it felt like an appropriate place to make my point.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The fact is that there has been a recent increase of hate crimes both against Jews and Muslims in France (and in Canada, the US and, I'm sure, a number of other Western countries).

"ADL Welcomes Decline in Hate Crimes Reported To FBI

New York, NY, October 27, 2003 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) welcomed findings from the annual FBI crime report released today that indicated that hate crimes across the country declined from record high levels of 2001. The League called for increased education and training for police agencies and expanded coordination between federal and state authorities to investigate and prosecute hate crimes.


The 2002 FBI hate crime data, released today and collected under the mandate of the 1990 Hate Crime Statistics Act (HCSA), documented 7,462 hate crimes – an almost 23 percent decrease from the 9,730 hate crimes reported by the FBI in 2001. The report documents over 1,400 religion-based crimes – more than 65 percent directed against Jews and Jewish institutions"

[GePap]

I assume the record in 2001 was based on anti-Muslim attacks post 9/11. Anyone got the 2000 figures?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
I assume the record in 2001 was based on anti-Muslim attacks post 9/11. Anyone got the 2000 figures?

FBI does, but its all in very large PDF's. Presumably there were press reports on the 2002 release of the 2001 data.

[KrazyHorse]

Actually, I was thinking about the rise prior to 2001. Was not really aware of most recent stats.

[Ramo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1260752,00.html

Ummm? So the woman made it all up. This is just bizarre.

The woman's tale was headline news across Europe, but by yesterday it had taken a remarkable twist.

It became clear that not only was the attack not anti-semitic in any traditional sense (the victim was not a Jew) but also it was not an attack at all. The young woman confessed to having made it all up, authorities said.

Conscious of the case's extreme sensitivity, police had previously mobilised every resource to hunt for the attackers - but with no success. A thorough study of CCTV footage at the stations where they allegedly got on and got off found no trace of the six north African teenagers.

Nor did it find the alleged victim, identified only as Marie, or her pushchair. A well-publicised appeal for witnesses drew a blank. No station worker remembers seeing anyone in distress, and the ticket collector to whom the young mother says she first recounted her story has no memory of the occasion.

Marie's mother then admitted her daughter had some mental health problems and a tendency to fantasise. Anonymous acquaintances told the media she often fabricated unlikely stories, and police sources yesterday revealed she had on six separate occasions between 1999 and 2002 alleged an assault; none of the six had been substantiated.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by dannubis
yes...

and so does the fact that a woman when she's beeing raped has to cry fire in order for people to come and take a look

When a woman is being raped and cries "fire" the approproiate response is: I will as soon as I get a clear shot.

[Spiffor]

I just understood what "CCTV footage" means, by reading Ramo's article.

Before, I thought it meant some CCTV cameraman (Continental China TeleVision) was present on the site

[lord of the mark]

(entering tin hat country)

Ya, know, if you WANTED to make it hard for antisemitic attacks to be taken seriously, you couldnt have done much better than this woman did.


(yeah, i know thats insane - on the level of the Mossad doing 9/11 = just thought id leave it for you to chew on)

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Ya, know, if you WANTED to make it hard for antisemitic attacks to be taken seriously, you couldnt have done much better than this woman did.

True.

The cause of the fight against antisemitism could definitely have done without this

[Bereta_Eder]

so she made it all up then eh?


great...

[Evil Knevil]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/france.attack.ap/index.html

further doubt is shed.


Also, Friendly, Friendly Nixon:

26 May 1971 President Richard M. Nixon observes: "You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists."
5 Jul 1971 In the oval office, President Richard M. Nixon compares notes with underlings Bob Haldeman and Ron Ziegler:
NIXON: Jewish families are close, but there's this strange malignancy that seems to creep among them -- radicalism. I can imagine how the fact that Ellsberg is in this must really tear a fella like Henry to pieces -- or Garment. Just like the Rosenbergs and all that. It just has to kill them. I feel horrible about it.
ZIEGLER: Could make up an English name.
HALDEMAN: ... Rosenstein could change his name. ...
[general laughter]
ZIEGLER: It is right. It's always an "Ellsberg."
NIXON: Every one's a Jew. Ellsberg's a Jew. Halperin's a Jew.
HALDEMAN: Gelb's a Jew.
NIXON: But there are [unclear] -- Hiss was not a Jew. Very interesting thing. So few of those who engage in espionage -- are Negroes. ... In fact, very few of them become Communists. If they do, they like, they get into Angela Davis -- they're more the capitalist type. And they throw bombs and this and that. But the Negroes. -- have you ever noticed? ... Any Negro spies?
HALDEMAN: Not intellectual enough, not smart enough... not smart enough to be spies.
NIXON: The Jews -- the Jews are, are born spies. You notice how many of them are just in up to their necks?
HALDEMAN: A basic deviousness.

13 Sep 1971 President Richard M. Nixon tells Bob Haldeman: "Now here's the point, Bob. Please get the names of the Jews. You know, the big Jewish contributors to the Democrats. Could you please investigate some of the ********ers? That's all."
14 Sep 1971 President Richard M. Nixon resumes the previous day's conversation with Bob Haldeman:
NIXON: What about the rich Jews? The IRS is full of Jews, Bob.
HALDEMAN: What we ought to do is get a zealot who dislikes those people.
NIXON: Go after them like a son of a *****.

Or:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_071204_njhatecrime.html