France!

[Spiffor]

I suggest to anybody who can read French to look at today's articles in Liberation (best described as pro- Parti Socialiste), which was rather cautious about the issue from the beginning.

They are gloating of course, now that the stroy is confirmed as false, but one article is especially interesting: the reactions of Black and Arabic readers (per e-mail), who feel they have been made even more a scapegoat with this "perfect horror" (imagine: Arabs and Blacks, who are sexist, attack a young mother and her baby).

The reactions of the Jewish community is very interesting as well, and also spot-on IMHO. They don't think they overreacted, because the current climate makes such a horrendous attack simply credible. Something we wouldn't have believed a few years ago did not surprise anybody here.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/france.attack.ap/index.html

further doubt is shed.


Also, Friendly, Friendly Nixon:




Or:
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wab...hatecrime.html

You mean there IS antisemitism in the USA???? And that Nixon was a vulgar man, with vulgar prejudices?? Wow, Im shocked, shocked I tell you.

More shockers - US fast food chains serve junk food - did you know that? Theres some kind of disagreement involving China and Taiwan - whod have thunk it? Some folks say Civ3 isnt such a great game. So much to learn.

[Bereta_Eder]

i cant find it in liberation first page

[Atahualpa]

I suggest to anybody who can read French to look at today's articles in Liberation

If you post a link, I'll try

[Bereta_Eder]

btw that thread has turned out great.

first a slap face humiliation to the puke that is drag queen.
second a sonorous slap in the face for the usual victimizasion syndrome poster of ours


now let's get the liberation article and see the real victimization that of the arabs and of french society by those lies

[Spiffor]

There are several articles, actually:

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=223645

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=223646

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=223647

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=223648

They're rather short. The one I bolded is the one which contains the reactions of Arabic / Black readers, and of representatives of the Jewish community.

[Bereta_Eder]

this fruit cake even cut herself up to load it on the arabs and the french society... nice

[Bereta_Eder]

maybe she was american

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by paiktis22
btw that thread has turned out great.

first a slap face humiliation to the puke that is drag queen.
second a sonorous slap in the face for the usual victimizasion syndrome poster of ours


now let's get the liberation article and see the real victimization that of the arabs and of french society by those lies

I wouldn't be as peremptory as you are, Paiktis.

1) Drake reported a news item that was accepted as fact by every French news media. It is nothing like a lie from abroad aimed at hurting France's image.
If you consider Drake to be humiliated, so is everybody in this thread who believed the story, i.e everybody but KrazyHorse.

2) Even though it's tempting to stigmatize LOTM as an American Jew, you should stop doing it. LOTM has a more complex worldview than our stereotypes grant to American Jews.

Besides, had this terrible story been true, it would have been little more than a symbol of a problem that is genuine. Antisemitism is on the rise in France. As is anti-Islamism (I don't know if our Yanks know that a Muslim graveyard has been desecrated as horribly as a Jewish one shortly before - or maybe they also don't know one of our major columnists wrote his hatred for Islam as a religion which he deems turn people stupid...).

[DinoDoc]

Why are you talking sense to a racist troll?

[Bereta_Eder]

dinodoc u act as if you're in a place where you can have serious conversasion and you're able to have one.

[lord of the mark]

BTW, happy Bastille Day Spiff

[Kuciwalker]

Besides, had this terrible story been true, it would have been little more than a symbol of a problem that is genuine. Antisemitism is on the rise in France. As is anti-Islamism (I don't know if our Yanks know that a Muslim graveyard has been desecrated as horribly as a Jewish one shortly before - or maybe they also don't know one of our major columnists wrote his hatred for Islam as a religion which he deems turn people stupid...).

Most religions do.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why are you talking sense to a racist troll?

Because I think he's in reality much better than a racist troll.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Besides, had this terrible story been true, it would have been little more than a symbol of a problem that is genuine. Antisemitism is on the rise in France. As is anti-Islamism (I don't know if our Yanks know that a Muslim graveyard has been desecrated as horribly as a Jewish one shortly before - or maybe they also don't know one of our major columnists wrote his hatred for Islam as a religion which he deems turn people stupid...).

sorry to hear about the muslim graveyard - i hope the police catch whoever did it.

as for the columnist though - how is that different from whats said about Christianity (and Judaism, when they remember to even mention it) by antireligionists all the time?