France!

[Drake Tungsten]

Hate crimes do happen everywhere, true. Anti-Semitism in France is worse than what should be expected, however, and is steadily getting worse. It's extremely worrying.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Oerdin
LC: *COUGH* Hitler *COUGH* Melsovic *COUGH*

a) I'm not aware of any incident in which either of those painted a swastika on anyone.
b) I was under the impression that we were talking about the present situation in Western Europe.
c) It's "Milosevic".
b) Nice Godwin.

[Pekka]

Right. I don't know.. I think we should look at statistics, do some kind of research to the reasons.. for example, we should know about this other minority getting constantly to these kind of actions, my guess is they're just PUNKS, youngster groups who would be a problem in the streets no matter what they're up to. My guess is these are street PUNKS, whose victims they targeted to be Jews this time, however they failed in that. I'm certain they're not good law abiding citizens who picked up on their target because they want to beat and kill every Jew in France. Most likely they're Punks, who want to beat up people, and especially Jews.

The difference is, there is a problem even without the marking. It's ironic too, being minority themselves and not wanting to integrate to France. I'm sure they will be handled like PUNKS are, and cops or anyone else is not protecting these youngsters when it comes to authorities and officials.

Of course it's a problem.. but what are you going to do, there are lot of immigrants in France, and some of them are doing these things, obviously they follow the news and take the wrong action. But they're like neo nazis in here. They just hate everyone basically, even you, the majority, white man.

I bet all my money that these punks who did this are not first timers when it comes to braking the law. What should be expected in France and these crimes, I don't know, what do you expect? I don't see these kind of articles everyday, it's a big country. I tell you this much though, Anti-semitism, as condemnable it is, is far less of hate crimes that happens inside France and every single European nation. Yet, you and lot of people seem to be mostly concerned about this only. It's natural and good to be concerned about this, I'm concerned too, but I'd say the problem is far more wider than anti-semitism.

When we have organized attacks happening that are being protected by some authority figures, then we have a problem that is major ****ing concern. If not, we're just singling out one group getting attacks, when in reality everyone is under attack on wide and regular basis, for a variety of reasons, and the people that are involved attacking Jews are most likely involved in the wider problem, with all sorts of crimes and misbehaving.

[Pekka]

But don't think me as a person who doesn't give a crap about the single incidents. If it was up to me, if I was the police, judge and executioner, I'd most likely baton the mofos to the ground and deport their ass where they came from the next day. And for the ones that are citizens or have lived a long time already, I'd baton them even harder and give maximum penalty and keep an eye on them later on. These kind of actions are absolutely unacceptable.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Last night the BBC World Service was reporting that there had been more anti-semitic attacks in France during the last six months then in all of last year.

Have you got a link?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by dannubis
cough cough KKK cough

Read the previous post. If you do you might understand the thread better.

[Bereta_Eder]

tragic incident but having a puke like drag queen making a thread about it sucks even more

[GePap]

Hey! In America our hates crimes are often fatal! No way the Frogs can match that! I mean, when is the last time a French jews got strung up to a pickup truck and got dragged to death? I tell you, never!. The Frogs don;t have that kind of imagination!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
This isn't street violence. A woman and her 13-month old child were attacked on a train, in the suburbs, just because someone thought they were Jews. That never happens in America (or pretty much every other Western country, for that matter).

I'm sure it never happens, just like gays are never tied up to a remote Wyoming fencepost and severely beaten, left for dead.

[GePap]

Hey, onl;y anti-semitic crimes count! Racists or homophobic hate crimes are completely different! Completely!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
Hey, onl;y anti-semitic crimes count! Racists or homophobic hate crimes are completely different! Completely!

really, GePap, youre better than this post.


Of course homophobic and racist hatecrimes are terrible, as are antisemitic ones.

Clearly homophobia and racism are important problems in America. As antisemitism is in France.

The incidents referenced above led to soul searching in America, at least among the more thoughtful classes. And to a renewed focus on hate crimes here. I hope M. Chirac will lead France in soul searching wrt antisemitism.

I will not prejudge his efforts.

[Argos65987]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
This doesn't have anything to do with French people...

Doesn't the fact that it was on a train and no one came to her defense bother anyone else about this incident?

[dannubis]

yes...

and so does the fact that a woman when she's beeing raped has to cry fire in order for people to come and take a look

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Argos65987


Doesn't the fact that it was on a train and no one came to her defense bother anyone else about this incident?

Sure it does. But I'm 100% sure the fact that no one had the courage to do so is not related to anti-semitism but lack of courage. And to be honest, when 6 agressive men walk in and make terror, I'm pretty sure, I'd duck and cover instead of heroically jump in. It's different when there's a single offender or when you feel there's something you can actually do, but in this case. This isn't good, but it's again unrelated to France and in this case also unrelated to anti-semitism or whatever, it's a matter of civil courage.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
This isn't good, but it's again unrelated to France ..., it's a matter of civil courage.

Must... resist... temptation