So, have YOU seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?

[DinoDoc]

Well we do have his claims to be presenting the truth but I will agree that Bowling is a trifling thing to bring up.

[Verto]

Trifling or not, I am like Sava. I like to present information to people.

And, to be fair, I don't want to "attack" his latest film until I have seen it.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Verto
Spinsanity:

Ironically, on the same day the DVD was released, Moore issued a libel threat against his critics on MSNBC's "Buchanan & Press," saying, "Every fact in the film is true. Absolutely every fact in the film is true. And anybody who says otherwise is committing an act of libel."

That's not a direct cite, that's someone claiming Moore said it. Where's the cite from Moore? I've seen people falsifying what he said enough to not trust it. And again, I want the context.

[Verto]

Will Michael Moore's own website suffice?

I can guarantee to you, without equivocation, that every fact in my movie is true. Three teams of fact-checkers and two groups of lawyers went through it with a fine tooth comb to make sure that every statement of fact is indeed an indisputable fact. Trust me, no film company would ever release a film like this without putting it through the most vigorous vetting process possible. The sheer power and threat of the NRA is reason enough to strike fear in any movie studio or theater chain. The NRA will go after you without mercy if they think there's half a chance of destroying you. That's why we don't have better gun laws in this country – every member of Congress is scared to death of them.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Verto


Which? F911? I haven't seen it yet. I intend to next week, if possible.

I thought you said you were gonna see it tonite?

[Verto]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I thought you said you were gonna see it tonite?

I lied.

My theater of preference was showing it at times that didn't suit me. Have no fear; I wouldn't miss this for the world.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Verto
Will Michael Moore's own website suffice?

Where? I'm not finding it, and you're not providing links.

[Verto]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

5th paragraph from the bottom I believe.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Verto
Will Michael Moore's own website suffice?

I can guarantee to you, without equivocation, that every fact in my movie is true.

I'd like to point out something that you didn't catch. He isn't claiming that his movie is error free, hes making a tautology.

Every fact below is true:
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1 + 1 = 2
The earth rotates around the sun
2 + 2 = 5
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It stands to reason that a Fact is true(or it wouldn't be a fact), and that bull**** is still bull****.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Verto
I lied.

So nothing you write can ever be trusted again.

[Boris Godunov]

I was hoping you'd finally link to that page. Did you notice this part?

Finally, I've even been asked about whether the two killers were at bowling class on the morning of the shootings. Well, that's what their teacher told the investigators, and that's what was corroborated by several eyewitness reports of students to the police, the FBI, and the District Attorney's office. I'll tell you who wasn't there -- me! That's why in the film I pose it as a question:

"So did Dylan and Eric show up that morning and bowl two games before moving on to shoot up the school? And did they just chuck the balls down the lane? Did this mean something?"
Of course, it's a silly discussion, and it misses the whole, larger point: that blaming bowling for their killing spree would be as dumb as blaming Marilyn Manson.

Keep trying.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Whoha


I'd like to point out something that you didn't catch. He isn't claiming that his movie is error free, hes making a tautology.

Every fact below is true:
------------------------------------------------
1 + 1 = 2
The earth rotates around the sun
2 + 2 = 5
-------------------------------------------------
It stands to reason that a Fact is true(or it wouldn't be a fact), and that bull**** is still bull****.

I did catch that, and posted about it in this, or the other MM thread. I could only assume, however, he meant everything in his movie is true.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Verto
I could only assume, however, he meant everything in his movie is true.

Regardless, the context is also important. If you read the whole page, in that paragraph he is specifically addressing certain claims made by the NRA, and once can also reasonably assume he is referring to the statements relating to that organization and what they said.

Still, as Moore pointed out, he didn't present what he or anyone else knew to be a falsehood wrt to the bowling claims.

[Whoha]

No, he couldn't claim that, or he would have used more precise language such as "All the assertions/statements in my film are true". That statement was crafted to be "truthful" but trivially so.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Whoha
No, he couldn't claim that, or he would have used more precise language such as "All the assertions/statements in my film are true". That statement was crafted to be "truthful" but trivially so.

I pointed this very thing out earlier. Moore isn't stupid, he's quite clever. He has used little tactics like this to trap his unthinking critics into making themselves look like jerks.