So, have YOU seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?

[livid imp]

Originally posted by Verto
Or vice versa. If the websites accusing Moore of making false statements are lying, why isn't Moore suing them for libel?

I believe he had threatened to sue a few of his critics for making false statements, but it never got to court, they retracted or whatever happened. Unfortunately I don't have the sources, so I can't back this up 100%. It is just something I remember hearing on the news.

Secondly, when a Moore critic puts out a book or a radio show, etc. you don't see Moore calling for the censorship of their works the way the American right did for F911. To me, this is the most disturbing thing I've seen the right do since killing abortion doctors.

I find it supremely hypocritical for any American to support censorship just because they don't like the message. If you think the message is wrong, then make your rebuttal, and then let the people decide who has the more sound argument.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by livid imp

To me, this is the most disturbing thing I've seen the right do since killing abortion doctors.

The vast majority of conservatives do not advocate the killing of doctors since they believe that murder is immoral.

[Imran Siddiqui]

you don't see Moore calling for the censorship of their works the way the American right did for F911.

Seeing as how the American right didn't call for censorship of F911, this statement makes no sense.

[MrFun]

Exactly, Imran -- no matter how much individuals may protest against any film, it is within their right to freedom of speech to do so.

It's unfair to accuse critics of wanton censorship unless that is what they are really advocating.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, then again he thinks the right backs killing of abortion doctors .

[MrFun]

And I countered that piece of bullsh*t too.

[Verto]

Originally posted by livid imp
Secondly, when a Moore critic puts out a book or a radio show, etc. you don't see Moore calling for the censorship of their works the way the American right did for F911. To me, this is the most disturbing thing I've seen the right do since killing abortion doctors.

I find it supremely hypocritical for any American to support censorship just because they don't like the message. If you think the message is wrong, then make your rebuttal, and then let the people decide who has the more sound argument.

I have no advocated censoring this film, nor have I seen evidence of anyone trying to do so. Yes, some contacted their local theater owners asking them to boycott F911, but that is not censorship.

I just believe Moore's films are too biased, too 'loose' with the facts, too creative in it's editing, to be classified by a documentary, and I wish the media would not categorize it as that. It gives the impression that Moore's works are factually accurate and at least somewhat objective, when they are clearly not.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

you don't see Moore calling for the censorship of their works the way the American right did for F911.

Seeing as how the American right didn't call for censorship of F911, this statement makes no sense.

Like I said earlier in this thread, there's a lot more complaining about right-wing antics than there have been right-wing antics. From the Disney spat to Che complaining that 88% of all theater owners/managers in the country received death threats, the controversy has been manufactured, not by the Right, but by the Left.

[livid imp]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

you don't see Moore calling for the censorship of their works the way the American right did for F911.

Seeing as how the American right didn't call for censorship of F911, this statement makes no sense.

I supposed there wasn't anyone pressuring Disney to shelve the film, right? Clearly Disney just didn't want to make millions of dollars.

[loinburger]

I saw the film while I was puttering around out west (I needed a day out of the sun), and I was pretty disappointed in it. Not nearly as entertaining as Roger and Me or Bowling for Columbine, and its conspiracy theories struck me as being far more over-the-top and/or incoherent than in Moore's previous films. F'rinstance, the conspiracy theory regarding the stolen 2000 election was completely out of place with the purported subject matter of the film. It certainly wasn't a waste of five bucks, but nor was it a film I'd see again any time soon.

[JohnT]

I supposed there wasn't anyone pressuring Disney to shelve the film, right? Clearly Disney just didn't want to make millions of dollars.

There wasn't.

1. The decision by Disney was made while the film was production, possibly before. Not this past May as Moore wanted people to think, but in March of 2003.

2. Disney didn't decide to "shelve" the film, which literally means just that: putting the cans of film on a shelf and not releasing the film. Rather, they decided not to release it under its banner. If they honestly wanted to squelch it as people are saying, they wouldn't have sold it... or at least waited until after the election to put it in turnaround.

[Ramo]

No doubt our system is set up in such a way as to invite poorer people to join the military, but I understand there is a scene in which Moore walks up and asks a congressman to sign a petition or something to send the children of Congress to go to Iraq (Moore opposes a draft? hmm) and it just happened Moore chose a guy whose son is in the military and shipping out for Iraq but Moore deleted his response.

According to the articles posted earlier in the thread, it's nephews not a son in the military. It certainly was shady to edit out his response but the point that he was making that the children of the elite aren't the people fighting the war. For instance, I think Biden is the only Senator who has a child serving in the armed forces, and there are only a couple House members (Moore asserted that there was only one Congressman who has a child serving, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong). He also was following some Marine recruiters around, and it was striking that they decided to ignore the rich areas of the city that they were recruiting in, and focus exclusively on the poor.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ramo
[q]
...and it was striking that they decided to ignore the rich areas of the city that they were recruiting in, and focus exclusively on the poor.

Yes, but Ramo- you need to understand.

The future J. Danforth Quayles and George Bush Jr.s are needed to save the Heima- sorry, homeland, from bag snatchers and documentary makers.

It would be a shame to let those expensive educations go to waste.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by MrFun


Yeah -- just like Republicans have their own hacks that work for them (Limbaugh, Coulter, etc.).

I see you agree with Imran's take on Moore that he is the left's version of Limbaugh (as such to be completely thrust on the trash heap of the non credible)

[MrFun]

pretty much, Ogie