So, have YOU seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kidicious


What he might of done shouldn't be a concern. The concern is that he knew the nation was under attack and he then proceeded to read to second graders.

I get it now. Instead of being where he was and impotent to deal with the situation, you'd simply prefer he'd have been somewhere else and be impotent to deal with the situation.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I agree with GePap. A person that jumped immediately to action would be one that I would suggest is either too rash (a common complaint against Bush) or would suggest the person was not surprised and had foreknowledge of the impending attack. (another common complaint against Bush)

Interstingly enough the fact that he shows pause shows better IMO than an immediate knee jerk reaction.

How can you sit there and make a decision without getting the information? All he knew was that we were under attack.

Really.... This is getting amusing.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I get it now. Instead of being where he was and impotent to deal with the situation, you'd simply prefer he'd have been somewhere else and be impotent to deal with the situation.

I prefer a leader that can act in a crisis.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

What information do I need? You described it well enough. A 7 minute pause where he looked like a deer in the head lights. BFD.

Had you said a 7 day or 7 hour pause where he was incapacitated by inaction that might be different.

Were there any pending decisions that required action on his part during those 7 minutes?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
What information do I need? You described it well enough. A 7 minute pause where he looked like a deer in the head lights. BFD.

Had you said a 7 day or 7 hour pause where he was incapacitated by inaction that might be different.

Were there any pending decisions that required action on his part during those 7 minutes?

IMHO, that aspect of the movie was more Moore's interpretation than anything else. Also, I don't think you guys should be worrying about Bush's reaction. That's one of the most insignificant parts of the movie. I'm more upset/worried about the Bush families connections to the Saudi's and bin Laden family than what happened during 7 minutes on 9-11.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kidicious



I prefer a leader that can act in a crisis.

We're back to the question of what exactly you think he should have done in light of the ****-ups at the FAA & NORAD.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
What information do I need?

I was refering to Bush, not you.

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
You described it well enough. A 7 minute pause where he looked like a deer in the head lights. BFD.

If he were one of the people in danger or reacting to the scene he wouldn't have 7 minutes. If he were on the battlefield and he froze for 7 minutes, he (or at least his troops) would be destroyed.

And we can't even really say that there were no consequences for his failure to function in a crisis. A better crisis manager could have made a difference.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
We're back to the question of what exactly you think he should have done in light of the ****-ups at the FAA & NORAD.

Find out about it.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Kidicious
A better crisis manager could have made a difference.

Like what? Shoot down the other airplane with jets that weren't in position to do anything and that, legally, couldn't shoot down the other airplane?

Focusing on this "seven minutes of inaction" is incredibly inane.

[Verto]

What could he have done, Kid, with those 7 minutes? Well, far less than seven actually. He would have had to go to his motorcade, to some location he could work from - the White House, Air Force One, etc. This would have taken time, during which he would be struggling with the Secret Service whose job it is to keep him safe. Let's not pretend Bush could have strode out of that classroom and been on the phones in 30 seconds, singlehandedly saving the day.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I reiterate, unless he failed to make decisions that folk were asking of him during those 7 minutes, waiting/pausing sorting things out was appropriate.

As far as I know emergency response and military were not asking for any actionable permissions in that time period.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
We're back to the question of what exactly you think he should have done in light of the ****-ups at the FAA & NORAD.

Given I agree with the general notion the 7 minutes are not an issue: this is another strawman like Imrans:

what could hae have done? Made angry calls tryng to get people to shape up perhaps?

Lets not make things up either. This was an extraordinary shock for everyone. Why expect anyone to be jumping up and down. Anyone realize just how little time 7 minutes actually is in all but the most extreme situations (and let me add, Bush was at the time NOT in one of those most extreme situations)

[Sava]

Let's not pretend Bush could have strode out of that classroom and been on the phones in 30 seconds, singlehandedly saving the day.

perhaps you should tell the Bush campaign people that.

[Sava]

btw gg thread over 500!

[Kidlicious]

This is what he should have done, and what every good crisis manager should do in such a situation - Gather information, and make an informed decison, and go out and provide some leadership.

And yes 7 minutes is a HUGE deal. Every second is precious.