Slot Machines

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Park Avenue


You're wrong again. This isn't a random roulette wheel. It's got programming and it's got average payouts to meet by law.

Which means that if its taken £50 without paying a thing, it's pretty damn likely to drop pretty soon (ie odds of it paying now are a lot higher).

Thats what i was TRYING to say last night, unfortuneatly the Carling got in between my brain and the keyboard!

[Solly]

I think people would have stopped playing it long before the time was up, and thus the manufacturers stop making any money from it anyway. You're all quite cynical! If you know what you are doing, it is possible to make gains on most machines.

[East Street Trader]

Stick to the slots then, PA.

I'd suggest not taking up poker.

[Bereta_Eder]

Anything that makes him stay at home and not terrorize inoccent Pakistani immigrants is cool.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
I don't see why you fail to understand this Ming.

I don't see why you don't understand

You seem to have the impression that there is a counter in the machine, and that if it doesn't pay off by a specific number of pulls, that it automatically gives a big pay off.

This is not how it works. The electronic machines can be programmed to pay off at "such and such" a rate. It's based on probablity... and every time you pull the handle, the odds are exactly the same.

Granted, a machine can appear to be hot or cold. That's how probablity works... it's not a straight line thing, but a matter of peaks and valleys. But just because somebody has pumped some money into a machine before doesn't mean it's ready to pay you

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
Yeah and what he said obviously doesn't apply to British machines.

These do hit hot and cold streaks. And no the customer if you take him as the group of all those who play on slot machines can not win. However, individual customers within the slot machine playing group can win.

You're just plain wrong. It's simple statistics. You're trying to introduce anecdotal evidence - you think this for the same reason people for some reason think tanks are particularly vulnerable to spearmen

[Solly]

"That's how probablity works... it's not a straight line thing, but a matter of peaks and valleys. But just because somebody has pumped some money into a machine before doesn't mean it's ready to pay you "

I know that's how random probability works.

Mine (and plenty other Brits') argument on this thread is that for slot machines, each spin isn't entirely independent from the last one and a hundred.

[Kuciwalker]

Only in the sense that a pseudorandom number generator gets the next number based on the previous seed.

[Gibsie]

When either you or Ming have ploughed significant amounts of money into these machines your opinion will hold some weight. But until then they're about as relevent as my contribution to Suoimithreads. Please at least read the link posted by reds4ever before you keep talking. In the US, do fruit machines have boards, extensive features and hard-wired codes that you can manipulate, like our most popular machines?

"You seem to have the impression that there is a counter in the machine, and that if it doesn't pay off by a specific number of pulls, that it automatically gives a big pay off."

This is NOT what we are saying. The machines are programmed to work in a specific way, and may at some point decide they can afford to pay out a certain amount of money, and so will try and steer the player to winnign that amount; but this doesn't mean you're going to get three jackpot signs come up out of nowhere, more like you'll get a small win which you can gamble up to whatever levels the machine can afford to pay out.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Gibsie
When either you or Ming have ploughed significant amounts of money into these machines your opinion will hold some weight.

I have ploughed significant amounts of money into slot machines...

The basic rules I stated in my first post are based on my observations, and talking to people who work in casinos and know the subject better than I. And I stand by them.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Well Bods, I can tell you that a couple of "real" (ie successful) programmer friends of mine will never play the things - after working for a company that serviced them.

It's better if you program them, then you can put little back-doors in for yourself.

[Gibsie]

THESE machines. The oens we're talking about. From England. For example, do you know what a "cash belt" is?

[Solly]

I have played them extensively too.

All I can hypothesise is that there are differences between the slots we play in pubs here and the ones they can have a go at.

[MikeH]

I was waiting for someone to go to the toilet before we went home on a wednesday night a few weeks ago someone I was with put a couple of quid in a machine and won nothing. I thought sod it and had a go too. Won £35.

2 weeks later same night, same machine, same person went to the toilet, same person had a go first... I thought, what the hell... £2 in same feature win £52

*shrug*

[Solly]

"From England. For example, do you know what a "cash belt" is?"

It's a money belt. Or crossfire..