Fahrenheit 9/11: THE TRAILER

[Sava]

Originally posted by Defiant


Not like you do any personal attacks on Bush, glad we got that debating feature out of t he way, I was worried.

As I've said before on these forums, I don't deny my tendency to let loose with insults. The thing is though, I offer facts AND I insult. The right (especially in the case of Moore) just offer insults.

Verto: We've had that discussion. Moore countered his criticts. And you are still defiant in the face of fact and reality.

[Defiant]

I make over 20,000 and absolutely under 200,000 and I have gotton tremendous help from Bush's tax breaks and everybody in my neighborhood as well, I don't know where the hell you are getting your numbers that only people making over two hundredM are the only ones better off, need to check your souces.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Sava
That's utter nonsense Diss. Under the Gore's 2000 tax plan, people under $200,000 would be paying less than what they are paying under Bush. Remember Clinton's 1993 budget? It raised the top income bracket while offering small cuts to other income brackets. Pay attention to the facts Diss, not Repuke propaganda.

And Bush's deficit spending is the same as raising taxes. That money has to be paid back somehow. And that means increasing government revenue by raising taxes. You should be upset at Bush for irresponsible spending. Each dollar wasted is a dollar that has to be paid back. And with Repukes in power, you can bet that the poor and middle class will be paying off those debts while the rich enjoy tax cuts and corporations enjoy tax breaks (in addition to the tax evasion that goes unprosecuted).

I am upset over defecit spending. Bush's education plan and prescription drug plan was a waste of money.

Tax cuts should be followed by decreases in goverment spending.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Defiant
I make over 20,000 and absolutely under 200,000 and I have gotton tremendous help from Bush's tax breaks and everybody in my neighborhood as well, I don't know where the hell you are getting your numbers that only people making over two hundredM are the only ones better off, need to check your souces.

Just wait until Bush's debt has to be paid off. You may have enjoyed the $400 tax rebate... but it's not worth the cost in increased health care costs, increased education costs, and increased state and local cases (which is occuring due to lack of federal funding, like No Child Left Behind for instance... states are suing the federal government for funds).

But then again, I don't expect you to be informed about all this.

[Imran Siddiqui]

it certainly isn't in their interests to ban abortion or gay marriage.

Why not? They have moral beliefs, so it is in their interests to have them carried out.

[JohnT]

Sava's true concern for his fellow man is highlighted quite eloquently by his absence from Ogie's thread. He's been online for almost two hours and can't be bothered with a mere "...". Typical.

[JohnT]

However, I expect that situation to be rectified shortly, thereby proving my point.

[Sava]

Sava's true concern for his fellow man is highlighted quite eloquently by his absence from Ogie's thread. He's been online for almost two hours and can't be bothered with a mere "...". Typical.

and that has what to do with Michael Moore?

I didn't see it... sue me...

but I'm sure typing in three dots is going to make a hell of beans... any words of mine would surely ring hollow to Ogie considering his loss.

I think you need to get a list of all the Poly members and go around scolding them for not participating in a thread. Get a clue.

[JohnT]

Naw, just the more self-righteous ones. Good idea though.

[Defiant]

Contrary to your beliefs, again we are very familiar with our local, county and state taxes which are fine, and for your information, health costs have been going tremendously high no matter what creature is in the white house, and liberals have spent more on education than anybody and the reults have been less than satisfactory, throwing money at something doesn't automatically make the problem go away.
And with any luck Bush will pay off the debt with inflated dollars, and BTW who really gives a **** about the debt, the economy is really starting to run and if it keeps up then more tax money is generated, to pay off your precious debt.
The attacks on Bush to me sound awfully familiar to the attacks in Iraq, as the move towards their own June 30th turnover the attacks are going up. As the economy gets better, and the Iraq war fading to the back of the news now all leading up to the November election your liberals are working hard to find crap to bin on Bush. Your information ammunititon is becoming less and less. You are really worried about the debt, c'mon, is that all you got left?

[Sava]

the economy is really starting to run and if it keeps up then more tax money is generated, to pay off your precious debt.

that is the biggest fallacy... look at the reagan years (considering his death has brought his 'legacy' to the forefront)... tax receipts increased because of the 14 tax increases reagan was responsible for, his '81 tax cuts cut revenue. During the CLinton years (after the 1993 budget raised the top marginal tax rate) tax receipts grew due to economic growth despite the right's assertions that raising taxes would destroy the economy. I'm sure you probably believe in "voodoo economics"

Go take an economics class, read some books (I have a decent reading list if you are interested), and learn about what is going on in the government.

The problem with the Democrats (and liberals) is that they rely too much on facts and the truth. They don't pander to the dumb. And in America, you can't win an election if you don't pander to the dumb.

You are really worried about the debt, c'mon, is that all you got left?

Yes... over $7,000,000,000,000 in debt is something to worry about.

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 07 Jun 2004 at 08:08:44 PM GMT is: $7,218,481,554,772.13

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Sava
that is the biggest fallacy... look at the reagan years (considering his death has brought his 'legacy' to the forefront)... tax receipts increased because of the 14 tax increases reagan was responsible for, his '81 tax cuts cut revenue. During the CLinton years (after the 1993 budget raised the top marginal tax rate) tax receipts grew due to economic growth despite the right's assertions that raising taxes would destroy the economy. I'm sure you probably believe in "voodoo economics"

Go take an economics class, read some books (I have a decent reading list if you are interested), and learn about what is going on in the government.

The problem with the Democrats (and liberals) is that they rely too much on facts and the truth. They don't pander to the dumb. And in America, you can't win an election if you don't pander to the dumb.

Yes... over $7,000,000,000,000 in debt is something to worry about.

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 07 Jun 2004 at 08:08:44 PM GMT is: $7,218,481,554,772.13

You know Sava, it is really easy saying how the economy is going to go bad, of coarse it will sometime in the future, but you guys have no idea, talk about taking a econ class, why don't you tell me what's wrong the the surge in the economy that a economists that I have read in the news both CNN and FOX said the outlook is positive. 1.3 million jobs created from 2.0 lost duing the .com in March'01 and tower falling in sep'01.
Again, Debt, big deal, this country on an asset to liability ratio is still to the positive, again big flipping deal. Tell me exactly how the debt will hurt me, I will tell you, somehow jerkoff liberal like Kerry getting into the White House and freak out and raise taxes like a jackass, that would do it. And getting transparent jobs in the 90's like Clinton got that finally busted in March 2001 is now proud moment for you slick williers.

[Defiant]

Besides, how about stop spending, the ONE critic I have of Bush is he is spending too much money on crap, cut it out, 10B to Africa, 3B to Israel, these in themselves aren't large but if you add up all the crap, it is monumental. Someone really needs to decifer between the crap and needs and make the cuts.

[Sava]

I will tell you, somehow jerkoff liberal like Kerry getting into the White House and freak out and raise taxes like a jackass, that would do it.

yes... god forbid we see tax raises on the top bracket like in 1993 followed by the greatest economic expansion in the history of humanity... did you sleep through the nineties? or was your brain turned to mush by listening to Rush during that time?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Defiant: What did your tax rebate help you do? And more importantly, will that one-time gift help you at all in the long term? And, even more importantly, will it help you enough in the long term that you won't care about your children's education, your social security, your family's health, etc etc etc.