Vege

[Whoha]

Those dinosaurs all got sick and died! coincidence? I think not!
[edit] except for the ones on the Island with Lisene or whatever its called [/edit]

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Azazel


How about living in a sterile enviroment, with synthetic stuff replacing his natural intestinal fauna?

Ooo, that's good. Get to it, Ludd!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Whoha
Those dinosaurs all got sick and died! coincidence? I think not!
[edit] except for the ones on the Island with Lisene or whatever its called [/edit]

And it wasn't the case when prehistoric humans were on the same food chain level as all other animals.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by General Ludd
As I said before, if you hold no ethics then you are excluded.

(although perhaps I didn't express that as clearly as I should of before... what is a good term for someone devoid of ethics? I always use the term 'fascist' for that purpose )

But we are talking about you. Universalize your theory. That is what it leads to.

Or, if you do not wish to universalize, do what Az said.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Whoha


the Human body is mostly not for eating.

And there are parts of animals we shouldn't eat either. Therefore, we should not eat any animals.

[Japher]

There are parts of plants we shouldn't eat as well, like tulip bulbs... so we just shouldn't eat I guess.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Japher
There are parts of plants we shouldn't eat as well, like tulip bulbs... so we just shouldn't eat I guess.

Yes, I was going to say that, but I got distracted. Thank you.

[General Ludd]

Looks like the "trivialise the vegetarian's beliefs through absurdities" tactic is going full throttle now.

Took longer then I expected.



I'll see if I can find any arguments that actually offer a serious point...

[Whoha]

Originally posted by MrFun


And it wasn't the case when prehistoric humans were on the same food chain level as all other animals.

you mean the ones that we hunted to extinction? (damn cloning, hurry up I want a Mammoth steak!)

[Lorizael]

Yes, absurdities. This is the same thing that Socrates did. He took people's beliefs and theories to the most extreme logical extension, and showed how they were then illogical.

Do not claim to hold an ethical viewpoint if you are not willing to be completely ethical. It is hypocrisy to only go part of the way.

That is why I say that it is perfectly okay for people to be vegetarians based purely on their preference, because they do not claim that what they are doing is right. You are. And you are wrong.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Looks like the "trivialise the vegetarian's beliefs through absurdities" tactic is going full throttle now.

Took longer then I expected.



I'll see if I can find any arguments that actually offer a serious point...

I didn't mean to be demeaning with my posts, sorry if it came off that way.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Lorizael


But we are talking about you.

Actually, I am also talking about you. I claimed in my first post that it is meat eaters who are inconsistent in their beliefs, and that is part of what i am arguing

Universalize your theory. That is what it leads to.

I don't think I get what you mean here. Are you saying that my theory leads to the view that killing, torturing, and consuming humans is unethical? You are absolutely correct.


Do you not think that, aswell? If you don't... then you are excused, as I said. But if you do, why do you feel that way only towards humans?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by General Ludd


Actually, I am also talking about you. I claimed in my first post that it is meat eaters who are inconsistent in their beliefs, and that is part of what i am arguing

When did I say I was a meat-eater? When also did I say why I was a meat-eater?

I don't think I get what you mean here. Are you saying that my theory leads to the view that killing, torturing, and consuming humans is unethical? You are absolutely correct.

Do you not think that, aswell? If you don't... then you are excused, as I said. But if you do, why do you feel that way only towards humans?

No, it leads to

You are utilitarian, then. Okay.

In that case, is it not better to kill off all forms of life that consume other forms of life, and leave behind only those things that take energy from the sun, or from undersea volcanoes, etc...?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by GePap


So when the lean times come, all the Veges drop dead while we happy Omnivores live on! Specialization = death.

meat takes a lot more resources

so when lean times come, everyone (who is not wealthy) will be vege

JM

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Lorizael
He took people's beliefs and theories to the most extreme logical extension, and showed how they were then illogical.

You seem pretty relectunt to do the same to yourself, however. Maybe because it's a sure-fire way of showing that anything is "illogical" outside of complete and utter apathy.

Eat meat? Soon you'll eat up all the animals and have to feast upon yourselves!


But I'm glad i don't know more about him if that's all he did. Sounds like the fez of his times.

Not that I actually believe that's all he did.... surely being a dick isn't enough to earn you a place in history?

When did I say I was a meat-eater? When also did I say why I was a meat-eater?

Your first post in this thread, I believe. you stated that you are not one (despite once considering it) and that you hate vegetarians for being inconsistent, which presumably means you view meat-eating as being consistent.

You are utilitarian, then. Okay.

In that case, is it not better to kill off all forms of life that consume other forms of life, and leave behind only those things that take energy from the sun, or from undersea volcanoes, etc...?

Even though this is just more absurdities, I will answer it since you seem to take it so seriously. I am not a utilitarian, I am an environmentalist. I believe in a natural ballance. I do not believe that nothing should ever die, but I do believe that life should not be squandered.

Or systematically raped.

Do not claim to hold an ethical viewpoint if you are not willing to be completely ethical. It is hypocrisy to only go part of the way.

This is actually exactly what i am saying. Only you seem to hold the view that since you can't take ethics to some absurd extremity and coddle and protect bacteria, that it is not worthwhile to be ethical at all.

That's a pretty stupid attitude.

And I don't know why I'm wasting my effort on someone who's devoid of any morality.