Vege

[Last Conformist]

Much as I dislike being associated with MrFun, I have to admit I'm an unabashed omnivore. I like the taste of plenty of meat dishes, and maintaining my weight on a vegetarian diet would be a royal pain. And I've got that lack of empathy for animals you get from living next to a farm as a kid - I've eaten animals I've seen growing up, and never felt the slightest bad about it.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by GePap
Please quote one.

I can cite them:

1. Key TJA, Thorogood M, Appleby PN, et al. Dietary habits and mortality in 11,000 vegetarians and health conscious people: results of a 17 year follow up. BMJ 1996;313:775–79.
2. Snowdon DA, Phillips RL. Does a vegetarian diet reduce the occurrence of diabetes? Am J Public Health 1985;75:507-12.
3. Key T. Prevalence of obesity is low in people who do not eat meat. BMJ 1996;313:816.
4. Pixley F, Wilson D, McPherson K, et al. Effect of vegetarianism on development of gall stones in women. BMJ 1985;291:11-12.
5. Robertson WG, Peacock M, Marshall DH. Prevalence of urinary stone disease in vegetarians. Eur Urol 1982;8:334-339.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lorizael
it's not the vegetarian lifestyle that is more healthy, it is the withdrawl from an omnivorous lifestyle that is.

Surely you can back that up with some data?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Proud Omnivore- as long as it tastes good and has a nice consistency, the kindom or phylum is irrelevant!

[General Ludd]

I am vegetarian for ethical reasons.

I do not think that we should kill, torture, and consume animals. I don't see anything illogical about that. I do on the other side of the spectrum, however, with people who feel that it is alright to do these things... to anything that isn't human. Either through some sort of belief that humans are not animals and are some sort of destined chosen ones or gods themselves, or whatever, or for sheer selfish reasons.

If you are a meat eater and also some sort of millitant fascist or whatever, well, I guess you can claim consistency.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Surely you can back that up with some data?

I'm sure your studies back up what I say. I'm not a nutrionist and this isn't really my area of expertise. What I know about what I just said is more based on things I've read and heard from other experts, but I haven't kept records of this.

But I don't know that those studies agree with my thinking, so I will ask this question, what types of vegetarianism were being studied?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by General Ludd
I am vegetarian for ethical reasons.

I do not think that we should kill, torture, and consume animals.

Why do you think we should not kill, torture, or consume animals?

I'll be back after some dishes are done.

[RGBVideo]

I do not think that we should kill, torture, and consume animals.

What exactly is your definition of an animal there? I doubt it's the classically accepted one.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by General Ludd
I do not think that we should kill, torture, and consume animals. I don't see anything illogical about that. I do on the other side of the spectrum, however, with people who feel that it is alright to do these things... to anything that isn't human. Either through some sort of belief that humans are not animals and are some sort of destined chosen ones or gods themselves, or whatever, or for sheer selfish reasons.

Given that species borders have more grounding in biological reality than to kingdom ones, why is making an exclusion for humans more illogical than making on for animals?

(I'm assuming you have no moral issues with eating plants, fungus or bacteria.)

[Boris Godunov]

Well, the cites come from here:

http://www.vegsource.com/articles/veg_definition.htm

What's a Vegetarian?

“Vegetarian” is a blanket term for a variety of diets that exclude meat, poultry, and fish. The most healthful, the pure vegetarian (or "vegan") diet, only includes foods of plant origin, such as nuts, seeds, vegetables, fruits, grains, and legumes. A "lacto-vegetarian" includes these plant foods and also dairy products. A "lacto-ovo-vegetarian" consumes both dairy and eggs.

Is Veg Healthier?

There is abundant evidence that vegetarian diets are more healthful than the average American diet, especially for preventing, treating or reversing heart disease and reducing the risk of cancer.1 Research has shown a low-fat vegetarian diet is the single most effective way to stop progression of coronary artery disease or prevent it altogether. Several other health conditions, such as diabetes,2 obesity,3 gallstones,4 and kidney stones,5 are much less common in vegetarians. The health benefits of a vegetarian diet may be linked to the fact that vegetarians tend to eat less animal fat, protein and cholesterol and more fiber and antioxidants.6 Simply put, the fewer animal foods and the more varied, whole plantfoods consumed, the healthier the individual will be compared to the general population.

Now I'm sure that people will complain that the site is biased, but it is cited work.

Can you produce any evidence that a diet including meat is necessarily going to be better than one without meat?

Would the fact that a low-fat vegetarian diet is healthier than a low-fat diet including meat convince you of the "logic" of being vegetarian in one regard? Or are you going to make a further qualification that only unhealthy vegetarian diets need be deemed illogical?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Why do you think we should not kill, torture, or consume animals?

For the same reason I don't think we should kill, torture, or consume humans. It's unethical.

I thought I already covered that...

[Whoha]

I eat a couple of vegetables in a year.

[Whoha]

Went to Fogo de Chao recently, what an awesome restaurant.

[Last Conformist]

Since when are low-fat diets healthy?

[Whoha]

Anyway I'm glad there are people that don't eat meat, keeps the price of meat artificially low. Quit demeaning them,trying to convince them of the error of their ways,etc.