Qaeda Leader Beheads U.S. Civilian in Iraq

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by oedo

This is exactly the way al Qaeda wants us to think and wants us to act: They're trying to manipulate the Yanks and the Euros into behaving badly enough that they can perform some de facto genocide in "self defense" on us.
You know how this game works, nonetheless you decided to play it.

SO YEAH LETS DO NOTHING as the illogical peacenik says. Maybe once Al Qaeda kills somebody you know, you will finally get it in your head that we have to go after al qaeda and kill them all.

[East Street Trader]

Judging by his last post Sikander does not need Al Queda's assistance to think daft and twisted thoughts, Oedo.

He can manage that all by himself.

[Elok]

There's nothing I can say about the act itself; it doesn't surprise me, but it's too much, too revolting, for someone distanced from the act, like myself, to rightly describe. The action speaks for itself more than any outrage I can show or even affect. What can any of us say? There is no shame more degrading to humanity than "patriotism" like this...

But talking about nuking is a bit much even in jest. These people just sent one innocent civilian to a gruesome death. Nuclear weapons send thousands of innocent civilians to a gruesome death and leave thousands more wasting away in sickness. Let's keep some perspective.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Sikander
I am reasonable. We need to get something from this war, namely the realization by the Arabs that they are on the verge of being destroyed by any number of peoples working in coalitions or as individual nations if they don't get their sh!t together

Only the US feels that way. Asia, Africa, South America and even Europe aren't considering the destruction of the Arab world. Nor do they consider they have to change it fundamentally from their fancy far-off capitol...

[Drake Tungsten]

Only the US feels that way. Asia, Africa, South America and even Europe aren't considering the destruction of the Arab world.

India is...

[oedo]

Gee, Apolytoners do support genocide?



Follow Your Leader Nazi Scum!

[GePap]

One would hope that it would be clear, given the concepts of responsibility and crime that one crime can never excuse another crime-nothing the US ever did can excuse this murder, just as nothing anyone else did can excuse prisoner abuse by US servicepeople. One would hope sucha simple outocme of those terms would be self-evident. This thread shows it is self evident that it is not.

As for outrage. I have no canned outrage for this, nor have I really had much canned outrage for the prisoner scandal- the scandal comes from a pattern in our current leadership and that permeates down the line, even if not ordered down the line.

As for this murder-the men who committed it are criminals, nothing else. BUt I can't really get more worked up over the killing of one man, even if American, than the murders of dozens. I doubt those Iraqis killed by these guys car bombs suffered much less, depending on how the bombs killed them. These guys have already killed hundreds-I can't get worked up over 1 more. Even if he were an American: Maybe I missed it coming into being, butif a thread was made on the assasination of the Chechen president I missed it. 20 people were killed. Why were their deaths less outrageous, or at least less worthy of long discussion?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

India is...

and that's a F for Drake for thinking Pakistani's are Arabs...

[Spiffor]

GePap:
Re the Chechen president: you don't understand, the 20 dead are colateral damage, so it was perfectly ok to kill them

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
WHERE IS THE ****ING OUTRAGE IN THE ARAB WORLD FROM THIS??? WHERE??? I SURE AS **** DON'T SEE IT. ARABS CONDONE THIS **** BY THEIR SILENCE **** YOU **** ALL OF YOU

Where was the outrage from the West when civilian casualties where shown on Mid East TV?

I cannot cheer any violation of human life.

But I am not surprised that what has been going around the Mid East for decades in the cause of democracy is finally being done to innocent US citizens.

Don't be so surprised, folks. This has been in the pipeline for a long time...

... and it's just the start.

[Harovan]

No need to get that easily trolled, oedo. Consider the source, and smile mildly.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
it is an outrageous crime, committed by barbarians bare of the slightest sign of humanity. Hunt them down by all means, find them, try them and hang them on their own bowel. I will stand and applaud, even though I am normally against the death penalty.

But it's just that, a crime. Nothing less, but also nothing more.

I would really like to believe this, but it is getting harder and harder. Looking at the facts that continue to emerge from that society it appears that oppression and violence are very ingrained.

I had hoped that the opportunity of setting up the first real democratic government in the ME might help, but the reaction of the radicals to the possibility of freedom is dimming this hope.

With the stated goals of the wahhabist to eithier convert us or kill us, it appears that the only viable alternative to long term violence is a period of intense warfare.

To all those that say that a peaceful solution must be found, I submit to you that both sides must want peace. I am convinced that the radical elements that are dominating ME society wouldn't play.

Sikander and Plato are normally reasonable guys. I expect them to stop thinking this once they are over the shock.

Thanks for that Spiffor. The problem is that it is becoming "getting over" one shock after another. At some point something must be done to stop the cycle. Peace would be great, but I no longer believe that is possible with the terrorist. I don't think they want peace. This leaves only one alternative...they must be destroyed.

[The diplomat]

I think we need to keep things in their proper perspective. What we did to the prisoners in Abu Ghraib was inapropriate and wrong, but the beheading of this american is far far worse. And you don't see the terrorists apologizing or creating committees to find out what Bin Laden knew and when and if he should resign over this scandal. That's a difference between us and the terrorist. When we do something wrong, we apologize and punish the responsible. On the other hand, the terrorist actually think they are going to heaven and having sex with 70 virgins when they mutilate and kill an american.

In fact, I think our government goes overboard with the self-flagellation. As soon as there is even an allegation of inpropriety, we just love to create commissions and investigations to find someone to blame and tar and feather.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


and that's a F for Drake for thinking Pakistani's are Arabs...

Likewise F for GePap thinking all Iraqi's are Arab or that AQ is entirely Arab for that matter.

[Jac de Molay]

Nuke them until they glow, then nuke them for glowing.

Nah, a better solution is leave 'em the **** alone. The whole region is obviously spiraling into chaos and madness, and they'll do far more damage to one another than any nuke could.

I've just officially given up giving a sh*t anymore. Now if you'll excuse, I'm going to buy a minivan, gain 100 pounds, have 2.5 kids, and start watching reality shows.