Noah's Arc

[SlowwHand]

Che, it matters to me not one iota if you believe me or in anything, and the same goes for Krapkin.
The water was higher than Ararat, it covered all; and for you 2 whiz kids, Ararat isn't the highest point on earth.
If your only rebuttal is mindless giggling, that's not much worth.

[Japher]

Where the water came from
Where the water went


If you factor platonic activity into the occurances around the flood, or even as a cause for the flood, it actually could have some truth to it. Put I'll defer to the geology experts on that matter.

What if Ararat grew out of the ocean under the ark? So that the ark didn't land on the mountain, but the mountain picked the ark out of the ocean?

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Japher
What if Ararat grew out of the ocean under the ark? So that the ark didn't land on the mountain, but the mountain picked the ark out of the ocean?

I don't see why a "God made the mountains in the blink of an eye" explanation is necessary, when a "God just vanished away the extra water" explanation would suffice. You don't get geologic activity like that without divine intervention, and if you're resorting to miracles as a means of providing a "plausible" explanation of the flood then there's no way to judge that one miracle is more "plausible" than any other.

[Japher]

What does plate tectonics have to do with divine intervention?

[GePap]

The fact that Christian feel the need to come up with scientific responses to biblical claims shows only that Scientific humanism won, and now Christians themselves feel they have to compete in that field. Any oldtime self-respecting Christian would have simple said God made it so an left it at that.

[loinburger]

What does plate tectonics have to do with divine intervention?

Nothing, unless you're going to propose that a 5-mile high mountain (Everest) could be created in only a few thousand years. Even the most violent earthquakes (8 on the richter scale) only shift the land up or down a couple of feet, so to have our current set of mountain ranges you'd be talking about a planet being constantly rocked by earthquakes more violent than any we have ever witnessed. In other words, you'd be talking about divine intervention.

This is in addition to the problem that an underground reservoir of water would be boiling hot when it was ejected from the mantle, plus that a set of violent earthquakes sufficient to release the water from these underground reservoirs would have had catastrophic results on the rest of the planet. Noah may not have drowned when he built his ark, but he'd still be either crushed or boiled alive.

[Japher]

The fact that Christian feel the need to come up with scientific responses to biblical claims shows only that Scientific humanism won, and now Christians themselves feel they have to compete in that field. Any oldtime self-respecting Christian would have simple said God made it so an left it at that.

I'm no christian.

Noah may not have drowned when he built his ark, but he'd still be either crushed or boiled alive.

Noah was a stud, and you know it!

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Japher
Noah was a stud, and you know it!

Hell yeah! He knew how to party down.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Japher


I'm no christian.

You didn't write the site.

[Berzerker]

MtG -

That was one of three questions that got me kicked out of a Baptist Sunday school when I was four.

A really smart ass even back then I see, what were the other two?

Loin -

I'd give thanks to the gods for sparing Utnapishtim, I s'pose.

No, give thanks to Enki/Ea for telling Utnapishtim/Zuisudra the flood was coming when the other gods wanted to keep it a secret.

Slow -

Where did the water go? I wish I had the time and/or inclination to research for all you lazy asses, but it went underground. As a matter of fact, that very question was addressed on ABC news program this morning. That will give you a lead at least.

6 miles of water went underground? Is that the hollow earth theory?

The water was higher than Ararat, it covered all; and for you 2 whiz kids, Ararat isn't the highest point on earth.

Who said it was? The Ark supposedly came to rest on the mountains of Ararat but the Bible says the waters covered the highest mountains which are ~10,000 feet higher, that's a bit less than 6 miles of water. Gee Slow, I didn't know you were a fundie. Actually, the Bible says the fountains of the deep were opened contributing to the flood and that appears to be a reference to the oceans, so something must have caused a great upheaval to send the oceans up onto the land.

I forget where I read it, but there is an S African myth about a great wave crossing the land. Maybe the end of the ice age began with or instigated a partial slippage of the ice sheet in Antarctica into the ocean. And as I mentioned, the Tlingit believe the Flood occured 13,000 years ago which coincides with the end of the ice age and the flooding of vast stretches of coastline and low lying areas like the Bering land bridge, the Sunda Shelf, etc. This I believe is the origin of Flood myths from around the world, but not a flood that covered the highest mountains.

Btw Slow, did you know that nowhere in the Bible does it say God created this planet or the universe? The words "Heaven" and "Earth" in Genesis have specific meanings, heaven was the firmament God used to divide the pre-existing waters and the Earth meant only the dry land revealed when the waters under the firmament were gathered together/receded to form seas. God didn't create the water, he merely established borders for the Seas once they formed. And the Earth existed before the dry land appeared, it was submerged under the "deep" mentioned in Gen 1:2. You'd be amazed how many creation myths from around the world claim God sent an animal down into the waters to bring up dirt/mud so God could begin forming the dry land.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by SpencerH
It's impossible to reconcile the psycho old testament god with the long haired peacenik free will version of the new testament.

Likewise, you cannot reconcile the wimpy YHWH of the OT (who could not overcome iron chariots) with the omnipotent one of the NT.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
If your only rebuttal is mindless giggling, that's not much worth.

Oh, it's worth so little compared to literal interpetation of fairy tales and myths.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Kropotkin

Oh, it's worth so little compared to literal interpetation of fairy tales and myths.

"Fairy tales and myths," eh? This sounds so familiar.

What else would you expect from the Almighty?

[Flip McWho]

Dude that doesn't make sense. That ain't a rebuttal.

Why doesn't the 'Almighty' just show himself ... whats the big deal with remaining hidden?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Dude that doesn't make sense. That ain't a rebuttal.

Why doesn't the 'Almighty' just show himself ... whats the big deal with remaining hidden?

HE DID!!! 2000 years ago, that is.

And if he really did show Himself to the world today, what would be the point in having faith? Faith is one thing needed for salvation, so there must be a faith.

Anyway my previous rebuttal is a rebuttal. The point is what kind of God is acceptable to you--One that is all-powerful and bears no limitations or one that does have limitations?