Noah's Arc

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually it does, cuz people who believe in invisible entities telling them how to live their lives have a frightening habit of trying to make me live by those rules as well, sometimes going so far as to fly planes into buildings.

And then we have other examples of religious people, such as the Catholic priest and theologian professor I had for one class in undergraduate school.

He and I have had reasonable, mutually respecting discussion on the issues of reconciling Christian values with homosexuality, in his office outside of class, without him ever suggesting I compromise part of what I am.

[Arrian]

Good for you and good for him.

It doesn't really have anything to do with what Che said to Doc, though. His point was that it certainly does matter what one believes in, because some people have beliefs that lead them to do some nasty things.

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

When you "decent" Christian organize to defeat the Christians who threaten our freedom, I'll cut you some slack. While you sit and whine about how not all Christians are bad, while bad Christians take over, I'll ignore you because you're irrelevent.

[MrFun]

My point is simply that not all religious leaders and followers are disrespectful of others.


I'm not willing to abide by the activities of fundamentalists such as Falwell -- they do not deserve my respect.

[Docfeelgood]

It is only bad if it is used to do harm.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
My point is simply that not all religious leaders and followers are disrespectful of others.

Which is irrelevent to the point that Docfeelgood was arguing, that it doesn't matter what you believe. It most certainly does matter what you believe. Quite a few people in this world have evil beliefs, and are quite willing to act upon them. This matters. It matters to me, it should matter to you as a potential target of this evil.

Your protestation as like saying, hey, not everyone who has a belief is evil. I have beliefs. Yeah, and, what are you doing with them? Are you helping others? Are you harming others? Or are you just hoping that if they don't come for you you'll be okay?

Evil is real, and it wears a pleasant guise. And it is perfectly willing to beat you 'till near dead then crucify you on a barbed wire fence.

[Docfeelgood]

Which is irrelevent to the point that Docfeelgood was arguing

Well acctually I was trying to go along the line of dreams and such.

[chequita guevara]

And if your dreams are a Jew free world?

[Japher]

Right and Wrong, Good and Evil is only determined by how much bigger those on the opposing side of the debate are.

[Arrian]

Godwin invoked. Thread done.

-Arrian

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Which is irrelevent to the point that Docfeelgood was arguing, that it doesn't matter what you believe. It most certainly does matter what you believe. Quite a few people in this world have evil beliefs, and are quite willing to act upon them. This matters. It matters to me, it should matter to you as a potential target of this evil.

Your protestation as like saying, hey, not everyone who has a belief is evil. I have beliefs. Yeah, and, what are you doing with them? Are you helping others? Are you harming others? Or are you just hoping that if they don't come for you you'll be okay?

Evil is real, and it wears a pleasant guise. And it is perfectly willing to beat you 'till near dead then crucify you on a barbed wire fence.

I'm well aware of the evil of religious extremists, thank you very much.

[Docfeelgood]

And if your dreams are a Jew free world?

All that negative thinking gonna eat your insides up.

[chequita guevara]

Meh.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by ifj
It may have done you good to actually read the verses given to you and give them thought.

When did quoting verses from the bible become a substitution for a rational response?

[Flip McWho]

When you become a fundie. I continuously find it amazing how Christians think that they are gonna win arguments by quoting bible verses. I also find it amazing how some still think that the book is the be all and end all. Hell, I know a few Catholics who admit that the bible is not the be all and all.

I'd also like to know why their God deserves my faith. From what I can gather God is an arrogant f**k who doesn't deserve our respect/faith.

Also a final point concerning the absurdity of free will. You say God gave us free will, yet according to the bible there is pretty much only one way to live your life. So whats so free willed about living your life in that one specific way? You don't have free will, free will is just something you tell yourselves that exists within your religious construct to explain people that question it.