Right to Contraception Under Attack

[The Mad Viking]

C'mon DD. That was worth AT LEAST a 6/10.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Elok
Wouldn't our malevolent energies be better spent in cooking up PA-style studies "proving" . . .

The fact that some of you believe your BS doesn't mean that's what your movement is about.

[DinoDoc]

It's best to give che a cookie and ignore him in threads like this Elok.

[Sava]

Do other countries seem to have this problem? I'm referring to COMPLETELY RETARDED PEOPLE being in position of power.

[chequita guevara]

/me unleashes Sava-dog.

[Elok]

In a moment, DD. After all, just because commies like Che SAY they're just after a state where all exist in equality and cooperation, that doesn't mean they aren't secretly after a world controlled by mutant goat-people. It makes no sense, most of 'em deny it, but commies in the know are definitely pro-goatperson-dominion.

[Sava]

RAWRAWRAWRAWRAWR

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Elok
In a moment, DD. After all, just because commies like Che SAY they're just after a state where all exist in equality and cooperation, that doesn't mean they aren't secretly after a world controlled by mutant goat-people. It makes no sense, most of 'em deny it, but commies in the know are definitely pro-goatperson-dominion.

It makes so much sense. I don't know why I never saw it before!

[Gibsie]

Speaking of paedophiles, a member of a newsgroup I used to post on put a bounty on abortion doctors, and then had the authorities raid his house. They found gigabytes of kiddie porn on his computer and CD's. Well, I guess anyone who is so anti-woman is going to be anti-child (Or perhaps too pro-child) as well

[Elok]

Okay, Gibsie, we admit it: all pro-lifers are secretly child molesters trying to assure a steady stream of underaged tail for posterity. Your keen reasoning skills triumph again.

Oh well. Little fun question: should it be legal to shoot a pregnant tiger with a tranq dart, extract the fetus, and grind it up into medicine for elderly chinese people? It's not like you're killing an endangered animal or anything; it's a "potential tiger."

[Sava]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Speaking of paedophiles, a member of a newsgroup I used to post on put a bounty on abortion doctors, and then had the authorities raid his house. They found gigabytes of kiddie porn on his computer and CD's. Well, I guess anyone who is so anti-woman is going to be anti-child (Or perhaps too pro-child) as well

prolifers usually are sick whackjobs... we know they hate woman (but they joke about it as if it were sarcastic), we also know they love to kill people (abortion doctors).

[Caligastia]

I'm on the side of the lefties on the abortion issue, but it's only because I think abortion has a positive eugenic effect.

The funny part is that by supporting abortion the lefties are killing off potential lefty voters.

Abortion.

[Ben Kenobi]

Che:

As I have previously stated, the Anti-Women's movement isn't simply out to stop abortion. That is only phase 1. They are out to end access to contraception as well. The more reactionary members of this movement (such as the Promise Keepers) want to relegate women to 2nd status in their own families. Get out of the workplace and back to the kitchen. Start having babies, lots of babies. Margret Atwood must be having flashbacks about writing A Handmaid's Tale.

First of all, one of the actions of the birth control pill, rather than preventing contraception, alters the tissue of the endometrium such that the embryo will not implant in the tissue of the uterus.

Far from preventing contraception, the pill procures early term abortions. Other methods of contraception, such as the condom or diaphragm are perfectly okay.

This does nothing to restrict your sexual freedom, in that you can still have sex with as many people as you want, provided you carry the child to term. It's a big leap to go from valuing the life of the child, to preventing sexual activity.

While you are right that most prolifers also favour chastity, in changing the laws against abortion will not affect laws regarding sexual conduct.

The key issue in abortion, is that the unborn child is a person from conception onwards. In this, the pill kills young embryos, early in their development. In order to be consistent, prolifers ought to oppose the use of the pill for this sole reason, and nothing to do with contraception.

While most of the proposed conscious-clause bills started out by protecting pharmacists who don't want to dispense RU-486, also known as an abortifacient, Virginia has gone so far as to consider a bill that would declare fertilization as the beginning of life.

Again, contraception is how prolifers define personhood. To argue against this requires one to argue that the prolifers are wrong on this point, notwithstanding their individual views on contraception.

This would classify emergency contraception, the pill, the IUD and other methods of contraception that prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus as abortifacients.

No fertilized egg. Sperm and egg cease to exist at conception, where a new entity, the zygote forms out of the union of the gametes.

anti-abortion groups have opened another front: going after family planning funding. According to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, just this year 12 states have introduced bills that would eliminate all family planning funding to organizations that even discuss the option of abortion or refer women to clinics that perform abortions.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the US. The terms 'family planning' and abortion, employed by PP are interchangeable. If one wishes to ban abortion, they are not targetting PP for 'family planning' but for the abortions they provide, and make a substantial amount of money off every year.

[Ben Kenobi]

prolifers usually are sick whackjobs... we know they hate woman (but they joke about it as if it were sarcastic), we also know they love to kill people

I suppose I'm in the minority.

Or would you put me in the majority?

[Ben Kenobi]

There is an excellent article in the latest Harpers that explains how the Repubs promise the Moral Majority the moon, over and over again; and aside from a few bones tossed there way,

Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

Partial Birth Abortion Ban.

UNFPA funding cut.

If that's a bone, there must be a steak attached.