Right to Contraception Under Attack

[Whaleboy]

All very true, but I doesn't change my point that anti-contraception legislation is not just anti-women.

True. As last night demonstrated, condoms make excellent bongs

[alva]

Good.

If people have money and are willing to pay for something, they are going to be able to get it. If you can afford to hire a hit man, you will be able to do it. But by criminalizing activites we can make them harder to accomplish.

Yes indeed, let's go back to the good old days of back alley - hair pin - abortions!!!
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So you don't kill people because it's illegal?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
True. As last night demonstrated, condoms make excellent bongs

We had very different last nights

Although I would have thought a condom either wouldn't have enough volume, or would be hard to pressurize enough to stretch it. However pressure could be a good thing when smoking, if a little hard to keep contained until ready.

I have to say, as far as bongs go, I think the plain bottle used at your party was better than the easter egg, it had more volume, and you could see how much you were filling it. Add to that the fact it didn't melt, was easier to cool, and seemed to have more effect, and you have a better bong. Although a clear water bong used with vodka, but actually using a bong, not a vodka bottle and straws, would be the best, IMHO.

/threadjack.

What does that have to do with the point though? Just a little side note slipped in there?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Just as I thought. Pure BS fed hysteria. If you insist on lieing about a subject at least have the courtesy to do it in a manner that isn't so blatant.

It's not a lie. The fact is, for a signifcant number of women in the U.S., the right to an abortion is as distant as the right to own a factory. It's soemthing they have, but they have no means to excercise. That is entirely a result of the anti-women's movement making it harder to get an abortion.

[DinoDoc]

So what. The "right" isn't absolute to begin with and if doctors don't wish to provide the service, that's not a problem the legal system should deal with other than to insure the safety of the doctors that care to preform the procedure.

The lie I was refering to was your claim of a ban which is out and out false.

[chequita guevara]

Doctors don't want to provide the service because they don't want to be subject to boycotts or fear for their lives. Two docotors have been killed, several have been bombed, many more are subject to death threats.

When a violent and dangerous movement takes away one of your rights, your right has been banned.

[Japher]

Well, it's either let the doctors do their job or it's back to the old method:



By protesting or preventing doctors from performing abortions or the likes (even chemically) they are actually endangering a life, where the believe they are saving one.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
But by criminalizing activites we can make them harder to accomplish.

Yeah -- let's hear it for denying women the right to autonomy over their own bodies.

[Japher]

Lets ban Vasectomies

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Japher
Well, it's either let the doctors do their job or it's back to the old method:

Yes. I've heard this arguement before too. Stop protesting what you believe is a moral wrong or I'll go mutilate myself with a coat hanger. I thought it was stupid then as well.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Doctors don't want to provide the service because they don't want to be subject to boycotts or fear for their lives. Two docotors have been killed, several have been bombed, many more are subject to death threats.

When a violent and dangerous movement takes away one of your rights, your right has been banned.

Have the anti-choicers who attacked and killed doctors ever done so with the blessing of anti-choice organisations? Has any anti-choice organisation ever condoned violence?

[MrFun]

DD -- are you really that insenstive/ignorant about the dilemma that women who had unwanted pregnancy, had to go through in making a decision when abortion was illegal??

[Whaleboy]

Although I would have thought a condom either wouldn't have enough volume, or would be hard to pressurize enough to stretch it. However pressure could be a good thing when smoking, if a little hard to keep contained until ready.

Well think of it as more of a retainer then. Either way, it ruled!

I have to say, as far as bongs go, I think the plain bottle used at your party was better than the easter egg, it had more volume, and you could see how much you were filling it. Add to that the fact it didn't melt, was easier to cool, and seemed to have more effect, and you have a better bong. Although a clear water bong used with vodka, but actually using a bong, not a vodka bottle and straws, would be the best

The egg didn't melt when I've tried it, and its more compact which is nice. An ice bong is greatly superior to a water bong, it makes the smoke so incredibly smooth. And I can tell you that hash that we had at my party isn't as good with bongs as skunk, you try filling a bucket with skunk smoke and taking that in!

What does that have to do with the point though? Just a little side note slipped in there?

Cannabis has everything to do with Christian fundies... somehow

[Japher]

Yes. I've heard this arguement before too. Stop protesting what you believe is a moral wrong or I'll go mutilate myself with a coat hanger. I thought it was stupid then as well.

I think it hold some water. Like that guy who OD'd because he thought the doctor was underprecribing him so he ordered the drugs from Canada. If the option exists people will consider it and weigh the pros and cons. In situations such as this, as well as health/money/crime/etc., they will sometimes make a bad decission. It is the responsibility of the state to ensure the well-being of the public, especially when a viable option exists... or at least that's what the socialists tell me... despite moral implications.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Have the anti-choicers who attacked and killed doctors ever done so with the blessing of anti-choice organisations? Has any anti-choice organisation ever condoned violence?

Yes. There are a few terrorist organizations that engage in violence over this issue.