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  • #61
    Originally posted by Giancarlo


    "Of" is the key word here. Don't play Bill Clintonisms with me.. I don't need every word defined. He said the deadline was June 30th.
    "of" is meaningless Deadline is the key. A deadline is the last possible date. Its best to get things done "before the deadline".

    Altavista tells me "plazo" means deadline in Spanish.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


      "of" is meaningless Deadline is the key. A deadline is the last possible date. Its best to get things done "before the deadline".

      Altavista tells me "plazo" means deadline in Spanish.
      Zapatero promised to keep troops in Iraq until the handover. He lied.
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      • #63
        Giancarlo, yes I'm not sure about the status on SA-16. And yeah, they can't have much bigger AA weaponry or system, as they would get blown to pieces before succesful installation or fixing them up.
        In da butt.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Giancarlo


          Zapatero promised to keep troops in Iraq until the handover. He lied.
          Since "handover" can be defined several ways, he may not have lied. It will probably be a very long time until a non American puppet state not dependant on the US exists in Iraq.

          Good for Spain. Hopefully other nations will stop backing America's latest imperialist project.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Uncle Sparky


            Since "handover" can be defined several ways, he may not have lied. It will probably be a very long time until a non American puppet state exists in Iraq.

            Good for Spain. Hopefully other nations will stop backing America's latest imperialist project.
            Yes he did lie. Handover is the one that is occurring on June 30th. Again don't try to play Bill Clintonist crap with me.

            Imperialist project? Oh please. And the South Koreans are still sending 3,000.. so I don't really care about Spanish troops leaving or not.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Giancarlo


              Yes he did lie. Handover is the one that is occurring on June 30th. Again don't try to play Bill Clintonist crap with me.

              Imperialist project? Oh please. And the South Koreans are still sending 3,000.. so I don't really care about Spanish troops leaving or not.
              South Korea - perfect example of a US puppet. How many US troop are there & how long have they been there ? How free and fair have S Korean elections been ? How is political dissent handled ? How much US money is invested in S Korea ?

              I could go on, but a best case scenario for American Iraq is becoming a South Korea.
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              • #67
                Zapatero wanted a handover to UN control. There is no plan for UN control of any kind come June 30th, or before. Handover to a provesional government soley dependent on the US military for internal security (just ook at what Bremer said), that US military being control from Washington, is NOT UN control.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
                  I could go on, but a best case scenario for American Iraq is becoming a South Korea.

                  You mean one of the most prosperous nations on the planet with one of the highest standards of living?

                  Sounds good to me.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by GePap
                    Zapatero wanted a handover to UN control. There is no plan for UN control of any kind come June 30th, or before. Handover to a provesional government soley dependent on the US military for internal security (just ook at what Bremer said), that US military being control from Washington, is NOT UN control.

                    Not true.

                    Bush and Blair just endorsed the UN's recommended plan for the UN caretaker government to takeover on June 30th.

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                    Politically the UN will be in charge. The US will still be in charge of security.

                    Where have you been the last 3 days??
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker



                      You mean one of the most prosperous nations on the planet with one of the highest standards of living?

                      Sounds good to me.
                      Slovenia has a higher standard of living than South Korea.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Giancarlo
                        ...so I don't really care about Spanish troops leaving or not.
                        You always seem to get very worked up about topics you don't really care about.

                        We call this "transferrence".
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                        • #72
                          Based on what
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Ted Striker
                            Based on what
                            the United Nations Human Development Index.
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                            • #74
                              Al-Qaeda and Spain have agreed to the Al-Qaeda truce offer then?

                              Well, I guess the libs here will spend the next 20 posts talking about how this was just the will of the people.

                              The Spanish Socialist are nothing more than Cowards. No wonder they want to take their orders from the surrender monkeys to the north.
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                              • #75
                                Uh, Uncle Sparky, it's not the 1980s anymore. South Korea has a functional democracy, despite US efforts to the contrary. With the Uri party victory in last week's elections, South Korea just might pull their troops out as well... that is, after they sort out the whole impeachment/attempted right-wing coup thing.
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