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Just the kind of hard hitting and well researched analysis we're learning to expect from you, joncha. Sure you don't want to spam the thread with stupid pictures as well.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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If you had bothered to read the thread, DD, you'd see I already enhanced the thread with pictures, and that my remarks were very much on topic.~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~Comment
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Are you related to Patty Cakes or Agathon?Originally posted by joncha
If you had bothered to read the thread, DD, you'd see I already enhanced the thread with pictures, and that my remarks were very much on topic.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Only in so far as you are related to Ned, DinoDoc and Park Avenue...Originally posted by Giancarlo
Are you related to Patty Cakes or Agathon?~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~Comment
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I really think you are Agathon's DL...Originally posted by joncha
Only in so far as you are related to Ned, DinoDoc and Park Avenue...For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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You basically said that conservatives support tradition because they distrust change. If that's not to dissolve into moronic paranoia, it must simply mean that they support change when it will do good and not when it won't.
And this is what I mean. Preconcieved notions of even a discussion lead you to not read the other side's arguments.
Modern Conservatism believes in conserving tradition, as the shared historical experiences of society, and engage in gradual change, where by 'change' would have to be clearly demonstrated to be better (and not just probably better) in order to be enacted.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
I really think you are Agathon's DL...
I love you too, Fez.
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So you're saying that the U.S. along with the other permanent members of the security council make the U.N. totally impotent.Originally posted by Ted Striker
The only time that it sorta HAS worked was when the US DID back a resolution.
I agree. I'm also sure that no one is willing to give up there veto power or their permanent seat in the name of democracy so the U.N. will never work as a voice for world peace or world progress. Thanks imperialists!!!What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensationComment
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That's what YOU'RE SAYING.
StrawmanWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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It's not straw it's true. The U.N. is basically powerless unless 5 specific nations agree. You can only expect these 5 countries to act in their best interests. The odds of any one situation being in the best interest of all 5 of these countries is unlikely. The odds of these 5 countries voting in the best interests of the rest of the world is even more so. That is not straw, it's fact.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
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You are such a kidder.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Neo-Cons aren't Conservative. They are actually fairly liberal in thier outlook on international realations the only area where I've seen the ideaology advanced with any vigor.
Where are these examples of neocons' liberal international relations?(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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1. They don't. Conservatives are quite prepared to move quie radically when it comes to eliminating programs and laws that enhance equality or advancing programs that don't.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You basically said that conservatives support tradition because they distrust change. If that's not to dissolve into moronic paranoia, it must simply mean that they support change when it will do good and not when it won't.
And this is what I mean. Preconcieved notions of even a discussion lead you to not read the other side's arguments.
Modern Conservatism believes in conserving tradition, as the shared historical experiences of society, and engage in gradual change, where by 'change' would have to be clearly demonstrated to be better (and not just probably better) in order to be enacted.
2. Everyone believes in gradual change. No political ideology believes in changing everything at once. The caricature of radicals believing in change for its own sake is just that.
But it is still an empty principle. Which traditions are worth preserving and which aren't?
None of them are worth preserving for their own sake, so there must be some other reason. Presumably, this is just the general welfare or something like that. If that's the case then it turns out that: (a) "conservatism" is just a kind of utilitarianism; and, (b) it is not an ideology driven by values, but rather by an appraisal of the facts about what will benefit society overall.
So if conservatives are saying anything, they are saying that we should reform only where it will do some good. But everyone sane agrees with that principle - even the radicals - so it's an empty principle as far as debate goes. Each case will be different and it's useless having a general bias in favour of tradition.
But it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. In practice they don't care about anything but themselves and they will be quite quick to strike down anything that benefits the little guy.
Neo-conservatism, if that is really a useful term is meaningless. The chief neocons in the Bush administration happen to be Straussians - and that means that you can't believe a word they say (that's their doctrine - lie to the public).Only feebs vote.Comment
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It's amazing how many times the different strains of American foreign policy need to be explained...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Where are these examples of neocons' liberal international relations?
Are we confusing 'liberal' as in domestic policies with 'liberal' in international relations? Liberals in IR are distinct from realists, who believe that countries should do only what is in their interest. Liberals believe in promoting international democracy. Neo-Conservativism is a more forceful liberalism. That's why Iraq is a neo-conservative action. It is meant to convert that country to a democracy. If it was a realist war, we'd get rid of Saddam, put our warlord in there and get most of our guys out.
Conservatives are quite prepared to move quie radically when it comes to eliminating programs and laws that enhance equality or advancing programs that don't.
Are any of these programs and laws considered tradition? And have you confused reactionary with conservative? Nixon, for one, had no intention of getting rid of any programs put in place by the Democrats.
Everyone believes in gradual change. No political ideology believes in changing everything at once. The caricature of radicals believing in change for its own sake is just that.
No, it's the truth. That why they are called radicals! Duh! I mean, radical revolution is not really gradual change is it?
Which traditions are worth preserving and which aren't?
That depends on the society. Which traditions are considered ingrained to the society? For example, in the US context, the Constitution may be considered ingrained (as may some Judeo-Christian ethics), but social programs? Nah. Besides, the only ones who want to overturn social security or welfare are reactionaries.
It's amazing how many times the different strains of American foreign policy need to be explained...
Indeed... I wonder if they even listen to us.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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