Anyone Else March for Peace Today ?

[Agathon]

You haven't said anything worth a groat in that post.

Radicals are people who think that the facts determine that major change is needed and practicable to increase human welfare. Conservatives determine the opposite. But it's a superficial difference since both agree that change is warranted when it can be justified in terms of outcome and practicality.

But just saying that you think that tradition should generally take precedence is moronic unless you can provide concrete reasons why. And such reasons are not forthcoming other than vague appeals to the "risks of change" which of course pretend that the "risks of not changing" do not exist.

Moreover there doesn't seem to be a general reason to prefer tradition, rather it is rational to evaluate on a case by case basis. So the vaunted "conservative principle" is either a platitude that everyone agrees with, or pointlessly moronic.

Doesn't look too good to me.

[DinoDoc]

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[Whaleboy]

Umm.. what Agathon said...

I'm marching May 1st in London! (under the auspices of a 'Poly meet). Anyone who wants to join is welcome!

This assumes the protest is actually going ahead .

[Giancarlo]

Congrats for protesting in the need of wanting the Iraqi people to suffer. I hope you are proud *sarcasm* of yourself.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Congrats for protesting in the need of wanting the Iraqi people to suffer. I hope you are proud *sarcasm* of yourself.

Actually I expect they probably are. The suffering of others isn't as important as the whining of their own.

[Uncle Sparky]

I especially liked one of the Iraqi-Canadian speakers at the march I attended. He had left Iraq about 15 years earlier. He mentioned he didn't mind the idea of Saddam being deposed, but wished the US hadn't placed him in power to begin with and wanted the US to get out of Iraq and stop bleeding it economically. Apparently, although its costing a few US and a lot of Iraqi lives, some US companies seem to be making a lot of money off of the peace.

He also said he fled Iraq because of the paranoid attitude of Saddam. Apparently, Saddam really believed that if you weren't with him, you were against him (sounds a bit like Dubbya).

[shmily_dana]

Did anyone see anything during the marches like the following article?


The Deranged On The March

There were anti-Iraq war marches all over the world Saturday to mark the

one year anniversary of the beginning of the conflict. Crowds were down

substantially from the outpouring last year, but the "hate America"
brigades were in full bloom, including right here in the U.S.A.

The San Francisco marchers are a good example. The crowd took time out
from same-sex "marriage" rallies to make signs with all of the radical
left's favorite themes, including signs reading "Death to America" and
"Support The Resistance In Iraq." Think about that - the "resistance"
these folks in San Francisco support are terrorists trying to kill our
servicemen! Bush as Hitler was another popular theme. One traitor
carried
this crowd pleaser, "I Love New York Even More Without The World Trade
Center." Finally, one couldn't help but notice the pro-Palestinian,
anti-
Israeli tenor of the demonstrators. A popular item being sold was a
tee-
shirt reading, "We Shall Return To Palestine." The shirt included a map
on
it that featured no Israel.

Media coverage was very careful to not include any of the above, instead

preferring to sanitize the demonstrators as a "whole bunch of
well-meaning
folks who just don't like war." None dare call it treason!

[Dinner]

I'm glade those people have the right to protest when they want but I think they are idiots.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
I especially liked one of the Iraqi-Canadian speakers at the march I attended. He had left Iraq about 15 years earlier. He mentioned he didn't mind the idea of Saddam being deposed, but wished the US hadn't placed him in power to begin with

Both you and this guy have absolutely no clue about Iraqi history. Why don't you read about the 1968 revolution before you accuss the US causing it. Then again that would require discretion and forethought so I see why you haven't done so.

I've had to read a good dozen books on the history of Iraq in the past six months after I found out I was going there and not a single one has ever made the claim that the US had placed Saddam in power. Then again those books were written by serious historians and not raving political activists so I see why our accounts are so different.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Umm.. what Agathon said...

I'm marching May 1st in London! (under the auspices of a 'Poly meet). Anyone who wants to join is welcome!

This assumes the protest is actually going ahead .

i'll be joining your protest...from inside the pub of course..

actually come to think of it, some bird i knew last year asked me to go to london with her for a peace march, apparently the coach was only 50p return from swansea. so i said yes i'll go as long as we didn't march at all and just pissed about in london for 8 hours, i said i'd show her the sights and all that, for some reason she really wanted to go on the march, so i told her to shove it.

[Pekka]

It's kind of stupid. I'm all for free speech and all that so protest is a good way to do your democratic civil duty.

But I just can't find a way to agree with the general opinion in this camp.

First of all war is usually bad and nasty, and in Iraq it was bad too. It wasn't a happy war, where the evil Saddam supports only got killed. But that's the way it is, and that's the way it's always been.

What counts and what has only counted from the beginning is what the outcome will be. No one wants to do war for war's sake. That would be pretty evil.
What the war's outcome is, that's what counts.

Now, the war on Iraq has ended, and it's in the slow burn stage to fight the rebels and resistance and international terrorists who comes across the borders to duke it out with the US forces. This was bound to happen of course. The only question were how strong and for how long.

Now, the real job begins which is to help Iraq to rebuild, to help the new top dog in the house to be recognized as the power, to train their police forces and tell them torturing is not the normal procedure in interrogation with a suspect. Rebuilding their army. When this all is done, Iraq will be free. When they are able to fight the resistance on their own, and the process has started, the Iraqi people are free. Truly free like they haven't been in a long long time, perhaps ever.

That's what I want to see, and that's what most people want to see, that is independent country that is democratic and stabling force in the ME region. Free people and know Saddam. Slowly building but coming succesful again. They have lots of know how there. They used to be advanced country before the wars and embargoes. So they still know what's up, they only need the tools and little help. And once this is done, it means that millions of people more will enjoy freedom and most of all they don't live under dictatorship where their life is not worth anything at all and it can be taken away without justice.

[Dis]

these guys are just a bunch of quitters.

A few things go wrong in Iraq, and they want to all turn tail and run home.

Look at Libya. They know better now. Look at the change of attitude they have had recently. True, they have slowly been improving since even before the recent war in Iraq. But they know we mean business now.

We will stay and finish this to the end.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by shmily_dana
Did anyone see anything during the marches like the following article?


The Deranged On The March

There were anti-Iraq war marches all over the world Saturday to mark the

one year anniversary of the beginning of the conflict. Crowds were down

substantially from the outpouring last year, but the "hate America"
brigades were in full bloom, including right here in the U.S.A.

The San Francisco marchers are a good example. The crowd took time out
from same-sex "marriage" rallies to make signs with all of the radical
left's favorite themes, including signs reading "Death to America" and
"Support The Resistance In Iraq." Think about that - the "resistance"
these folks in San Francisco support are terrorists trying to kill our
servicemen! Bush as Hitler was another popular theme. One traitor
carried
this crowd pleaser, "I Love New York Even More Without The World Trade
Center." Finally, one couldn't help but notice the pro-Palestinian,
anti-
Israeli tenor of the demonstrators. A popular item being sold was a
tee-
shirt reading, "We Shall Return To Palestine." The shirt included a map
on
it that featured no Israel.

Media coverage was very careful to not include any of the above, instead

preferring to sanitize the demonstrators as a "whole bunch of
well-meaning
folks who just don't like war." None dare call it treason!

I didn't type this. I swear I didn't.

Look I have no problem with people protesting. As long sa they don't get too noisy and start blocking traffic. Let out the armored vehicles with water cannons. They can show their stupidity and downright arrogance all they want. It is not helping their pathetic cause. They are enemies of the people and of the civilized world. Anybody against the war in Iraq, is for Saddam Hussein. I'm sorry but it is my way or the high way on this one. If you want to choose to be stupid go out and protest against the liberated Iraqi people.

[Solly]

"Anybody against the war in Iraq, is for Saddam Hussein"

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

The world's largest nation has the right to remove a dictator.

The world's largest nation is called China.
The second-largest nation - and the largest democracy in the world - is called India.

Just so you know it.

Population-wise, that is.

In terms of land area, the world's largest nation is the Russian Federation, the second-largest is Canada and the third-largest is China.