Coalition of the Willing falling apart?

[Ben Kenobi]

the bit where he said 'the men in charge of finding things' in Iraq.

Finding what? Kurds?

It's rather vague...

Inspectors would make things more clear, which he has now provided his argument for.

[Wezil]

No Ben - WMD was not connected to terrorism.

Why terrorism argument? Because it would have been hard to convince Americans on either the "bad guy" argument (see Bush's trouble with that argument now), or the "war for oil" (or Haliburton if you prefer) argument.

[GePap]

Lets hope ben you are never allowed in a jury, either civil or criminal, becuase your understanding of evidence seems slim at best.

[Ben Kenobi]

What's wrong with Rummy? He's an expert.

David Kay?

Interesting fellow.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/

"We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis, of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N. Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under 1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and they hid material."

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
What's wrong with Rummy?

What isn't?

[Ben Kenobi]

Wezil:

I just have to lay a base first.

You agree than, that WMDs have nothing to do with terrorism?

Good.

What do you think of this?

Iraq-al Qaeda link

We have obtained a document discovered in Iraq from the files of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS). The report provides new evidence of links between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
The 1993 document, in Arabic, bears the logo of the Iraqi intelligence agency and is labeled "top secret" on each of its 20 pages.

The report is a list of IIS agents who are described as "collaborators."

On page 14, the report states that among the collaborators is "the Saudi Osama bin Laden."
The document states that bin Laden is a "Saudi businessman and is in charge of the Saudi opposition in Afghanistan."

"And he is in good relationship with our section in Syria," the document states, under the signature "Jabar."

The document was obtained by the Iraqi National Congress and first disclosed on the CBS program "60 Minutes" by INC leader Ahmed Chalabi.
A U.S. official said the document appears authentic.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GePap
Lets hope ben you are never allowed in a jury, either civil or criminal, becuase your understanding of evidence seems slim at best.

They'll also have to find simultaneous translators for Kenobic-English and English-Kenobic.

Imagine the protracted deliberations in the room where the jury is sequestered, otherwise....

Oh and Obi Gyn- partial quoting AGAIN?

Haven't you been told about that many times before? It's a nasty habit- do a penance and read some David Hume or Nietzsche.

[Ben Kenobi]

What isn't?

I can hardly wait until Easter.

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh and Obi Gyn- partial quoting AGAIN?

Haven't you been told about that many times before? It's a nasty habit- do a penance and read some David Hume or Nietzsche.

You want the whole article?

Look it up yourself. I'm not going to torture the poor eyes of people reading that whole testimony.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
What's wrong with Rummy? He's an expert.

In some thing, perhaps, in examining the evidence to see if WMD's existed? No.

David Kay?

Interesting fellow.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/

"We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis, of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N. Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under 1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and they hid material."

OH, ben , its so cute to think you don;t know that not only were making weapons banned, but doing anything that MIGHT be used down the line to make weapons was also banned or the Iraqis had to report.

I am sorry, but if this is your level of knowledge on the issue, I have to say that is really sad.

The million dollar question Ben is: does Kay say "I found weapons"? or "I found evidence of the existance of weapons"? Oh, wait NO, you didn't. Too bad.

[Ben Kenobi]

don;t know that not only were making weapons banned, but doing anything that MIGHT be used down the line to make weapons was also banned or the Iraqis had to report.

Still in violation of UN regulations. Do you agree that Iraq should just flaunt the UN, or should they be held accountable?

does Kay say "I found weapons"? or "I found evidence of the existance of weapons"? Oh, wait NO, you didn't. Too bad.

So far we have not. I admit this in my very first post.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


You want the whole article?

Look it up yourself. I'm not going to torture the poor eyes of people reading that whole testimony.

That's what I get for not having instantaneous Kenobic translation on.

Your habit of using partial quotes from other people's posts- it's clear (at least to those not conversing in Kenobic) from the context of GePap's posts and the thread itself, what he was referring to.

Unless you're interesed in making a career out of being wilfully obtuse it should have been clear to you too- but then, you wouldn't have had a chance to be facetious, would you, and I imagined I had pre-empted that sort of tedios response with my remark about Basra and kebabs.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your habit of using partial quotes from other people's posts- it's clear (at least to those not conversing in Kenobic) from the context of GePap's posts and the thread itself, what he was referring to.

Why is that a problem? I'm not going to waste my time quoting all of the post, since I think that I am getting the essence of what he is trying to say.

Would you prefer the systematic approach of Berz where he goes through someone's post line by line, targetting the first sentence before having read the entirety of the post?

Secondly, your complaint of my call for source is already a dead issue. Gepap provided a name, and I have already started talking about his source.

If you have any further complaints about my style, start a thread.

I may even post in it.

[MOBIUS]

All the other countries are waking up to the fact that they've just been roped in as human shields and walking targets for the US...

After all, if a Pole dies in Iraq that means that a US soldier doesn't.

If a bomb goes of in Madrid, that means that one is less likely to go off in the US.

That's all we are folks, substitute bodybags and apologists for the very US foreign policy that has got huge sections of the world hating them enough to commit suicide if they can take some Americans (and us now) with them...

Yep, George Bush would far rather a European die than an American - if he really cared he wouldn't have been stiffing the EU with an unfair trade war at the very same time we were all embarking on this madness...

Some ally the US is!

[Solly]