Socialist claim victory in Spain

[Sava]

Originally posted by The diplomat




You have not even heard my opinion on the subject yet. How do you know that I am not well-read in international politics? I happen to know a few things about international politics. I took an advanced course in international politics when in college, and I have read several books on the subject.

just my usual standard counter-troll

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ugh... I don't like what the Spanish (new) PM is saying. Fact is, you can be against the war, but pulling out now will mostly likely hurt the IRAQIs more than the US! The US will look at everyone leaving, say screw this (at least some candidate will) and we'll pull out way before time, say we got Saddam, so we won and that's that.

I wish both sides would put politics aside and not screw over a whole country because dick-waivers on both sides of the Atlantic would rather seem 'right' than actually help out.

[Sava]

Imran

[GePap]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

But more important is that the bombing APPEARS to be the proximate cause of the PSOE victory - if the PSOE had led in the polls prior, or if there was convincing evidence that the shift was due to incompetent handling of the bombing aftermath by the govt, id be more comfortable saying it was not an "AQ victory"

So what? Should the people of Spain have voted differently, simply not to 'give the appearance" of an AQ victory? Even if they changed their minds due to the AQ attack, as I have said ealier, this was more than a valid action, since that attack showed the PP failed to keep them safe from an AQ attack-why re-elect a government that failed in the basic need to keep them safe?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


So what? Should the people of Spain have voted differently, simply not to 'give the appearance" of an AQ victory? Even if they changed their minds due to the AQ attack, as I have said ealier, this was more than a valid action, since that attack showed the PP failed to keep them safe from an AQ attack-why re-elect a government that failed in the basic need to keep them safe?

They had no reason to think that a bombing was impossible before Saturday. Did the govt say that such a bombing was impossible?

[chequita guevara]

You can't fight terrorism with a chocolate duck!

[GePap]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


They had no reason to think that a bombing was impossible before Saturday. Did the govt say that such a bombing was impossible?

What does impossibility have to do with it?

we are talking 10 simultanous blasts-that takes quite a lot of time and effort to set up and execute. It was more than 2 years after 9/11, and yet the PP government did not find out about the plot. Would any gov. have done better? No idea, pure speculation. But you failed to answer the question- if the PP government failed to keep the people safe from AQ-and its involvement in a highly unpopular war having had no positive effect vs that threat, why should the people vote for PP again? Simply to deny the preception of a victory for AQ? That is supposed to be the sole notion in thier mind when going to the polls?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I can sympathize with the Spanish people's displeasure at being involved in a war in Iraq inititated under false pretenses. Frankly I'd like to see Geo. Bush impeached after we get our troops out, which I hope will be this year. OTOH I have no quarrel with the legitimate war on OBL's organization. By knuckling in to pressure from al-Qaeda Spain may be inviting outright extortion. Will the socialists be able to resist? Probably, but what will OBL's men do if their demands are thwarted next time?

Impeached?

IMPEACHED?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You can't fight terrorism with a chocolate duck!

But you can eat a chocolate duck! Mmmmm... chocolate...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned


Impeached?

IMPEACHED?

IMPEACHED?


Yes, I think that is what he said.

[Whaleboy]

Sure it influenced the people to vote a certain way.

Just like 9/11 will do this November.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap


Even if they changed their minds due to the AQ attack, as I have said ealier, this was more than a valid action

I know that this partial quote is out of context, but thinking along these lines endangers everyone.



Imran, spot on analysis.


Sava, contribute an idea please and not just counter-ideas


*PLATO recedes back into the shadows*

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO


I know that this partial quote is out of context, but thinking along these lines endangers everyone.

Nope, only those that fail in their jobs, or are intelectually dishonest or wrong.

The Aznar government could not keep Spaniards safe from AQ- why should the Spanish people put them in power again? Now the socialist get their chance. If they succeed were Aznar and the PP failed, then they should be re-elected. If they fail, let the voters throw them out of power.

[Arrian]

Sava, contribute an idea please and not just counter-ideas

He can't. Because, after all, if Sava were to start spouting serious posts, the terrorists BUSH WOULD HAVE WON!

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


What does impossibility have to do with it?

we are talking 10 simultanous blasts-that takes quite a lot of time and effort to set up and execute. It was more than 2 years after 9/11, and yet the PP government did not find out about the plot. Would any gov. have done better? No idea, pure speculation. But you failed to answer the question- if the PP government failed to keep the people safe from AQ-and its involvement in a highly unpopular war having had no positive effect vs that threat, why should the people vote for PP again? Simply to deny the preception of a victory for AQ? That is supposed to be the sole notion in thier mind when going to the polls?

so youre saying its the bombing had an impact not so much wrt Iraq, but wrt to govt failure at policing, intell, etc and that Iraq was only important in that context. Hmm, interesting. Any Spaniards care to confirm this?