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There is a difference between calculating with civilian casualties and trying to maximize them. Having as much civilian casualties as possible is effective terror, but not neccessarily effective warfare.
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Originally posted by BeBro
There is a difference between calculating with civilian casualties and trying to maximize them. Having as much civilian casualties as possible is effective terror, but not neccessarily effective warfare.
2 AM now, maybe tomorrow.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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He brought war. I don't think he brought prosperity, but Giancarlo can't resist the temptation of making propaganda.It looks as if Aznar has brought prosperity and war."Son españoles... los que no pueden ser otra cosa" (Cánovas del Castillo)
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wait a minute, this makes no sense. If Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with Saddam, why do you think that he's mad only at the countries that supported the war on Iraq, and not all the countries that want to destroy him?Comment
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Don´t talk about what you don´t know...Originally posted by Oncle Boris
There are no more Batasuna deputees not because they didn't go for the election or lost popular support, but because they were forbidden to do so.
The Batasuna deputees did not go for the national elections four years ago. Then, one year ago they have been forbidden, (like the nazi party in Germany) and we are still waiting PNV to remove them from regional parliament.
But if you see those batasuna nazionalists as poor guys banned by "fascist" Aznar that´s your problem, not mine."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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Originally posted by Azazel
wait a minute, this makes no sense. If Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with Saddam, why do you think that he's mad only at the countries that supported the war on Iraq, and not all the countries that want to destroy him?
"Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
"A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)Comment
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Sure. War didn´t exist in the world before the attack to Irak...Originally posted by jasev
He brought war. I don't think he brought prosperity, but Giancarlo can't resist the temptation of making propaganda.
The best propaganda are the real facts. Simply look at the big increment in people who is working here in Spain. Look at how many new cars are sold. People don´t buy new cars when their economic situation is not good. Look at how many immigrants we have. Would they be coming to Spain if the situation was bad? That doesn´t make much sense..."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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I'm afraid I'm very sad about some behaviours in this thread...
do you really think is this the place to speak about politics or flamming or both?Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-communityComment
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So if PP wins again how will you interpret it? Will it mean that Spanish people is guilty?Originally posted by Oncle Boris
My point exactly. The Spanish people is innocent. If someone has to be guilty (if and only if, under so far undetermined conditions), it is Aznar."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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Very good explanationOriginally posted by The Mad Viking
How about the long history of ETA terror attacks in Spain vs ZERO by A-Q?
Doesn't that form part of an MO?
How about the recently prevented train bombing attempts by ETA?
Doesn't that form part of an MO?
In fact, the ONLY thing outside of the ETA MO is the size of the attack.
Almost EVERYTHING is outside the MO of A-Q.
But there is one thing else that points to Al-Qaeda. That they are wanting to blame Aznar for it. If it was ETA, Aznar can not be blamed (I am talking in their way of reasoning of course) and some people with no respect for victims can say that "The bombs thrown at Irak detonate at Madrid"."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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That´s why you can see temples of all kind of religions in America. Isn´t it?Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Not really- the saying would only apply to political freedom. Democracies like America tend to undermine freedom with religion."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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The police has found thousands of ETA documents pointing to an attack in Madrid, not to mention the intercepted van with 500 kg of explosives...Originally posted by Gangerolf
Researchers at the norwegian military's research institute have found a document, in arabic, describing how an attack on Spain before the elections could make Spain change their Iraq policy. It says it's smart to attack Spain because it is "the weakest link in the coalition in Iraq "."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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OB is unquestionably right about the moral responsibility thing. It is not a zero sum game. People can bear partial responsibility for bad things others do to them by being negligent or engaging in criminal acts themselves. This takes no blame away from the perpetrator and most often the kind of blame attributed to the victim is a different kind of blame. Go look up the other thread if you disagree. I managed to get Ming and MtG to agree with me, so I must have been especially plausible that day.
It's not BLAME. Blame is moral responsibility. Causal responsibility is pointless - so their actions were part of the causal link to the attack. So what? Why are you saying it?Comment
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Safer does not implies more freedom. Of course, in communist times every aspect of the life was controlled by the soviets (or at least they tried to). In such kind of situation people is safer but their freedom is highly restricted.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I have nothing against safe streets, but the fact that you relate it with democracy shows how far you are to being able of making a coherent point. The streets of Moscow were much safer in the communist era."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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