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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I felt like discussing 'morality and terrorism', and how it could relate to this particular case,
I felt like discussing 'morality and terrorism', and how it could relate to this particular case,
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Then stop whining about people applying your statements to to the Spanish victims.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Oncle Boris, I think you speak of the scum left like yourself.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
What's good with Europeans is that they want their buddies to be neither Bush or Osama, but... somewhere in the middle. But for a president who says that you're with us or against us, that's a difficult proposition to tackle, isn't it?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Then stop whining about people applying your statements to to the Spanish victims.
Applying it fallaciously, that's it.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Huh? You really believe in that "Bush or Osama" BS?Originally posted by Ned
Oncle Boris, I think you speak of the scum left like yourself.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Not what I said. I said blame in the sense of moral responsibility is not a zero sum game.Originally posted by Kucinich
OB is unquestionably right about the moral responsibility thing. It is not a zero sum game. People can bear partial responsibility for bad things others do to them by being negligent or engaging in criminal acts themselves. This takes no blame away from the perpetrator and most often the kind of blame attributed to the victim is a different kind of blame. Go look up the other thread if you disagree. I managed to get Ming and MtG to agree with me, so I must have been especially plausible that day.
It's not BLAME. Blame is moral responsibility. Causal responsibility is pointless - so their actions were part of the causal link to the attack. So what? Why are you saying it?Only feebs vote.Comment
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I wouldn't make that assumption Ned. The mood in Europe in general seems to be such that when the violence in Iraq spills over to involve Europeans in any way the tendency is to blame the US.
Close but not accurate 100%. Unless the US had forced a country to participate in the invasion then the blame could fall on the head of the PM of said country.Comment
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LOTM already explained why you have so many people biting at the troll.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Applying it fallaciously, that's it.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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First arrest have been made: three maroccans and four Hindu's(?).
This is from a press conference made by the (spanish)Minister of Interiour, according to Dutch radio.
ETA is getting highly unlikely..."post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
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Such massive death made ETA not likely from the begining no matter how the gov wanted to present it.
The gov. is obviously a bit worried what the epople would think.
The spanish who say the bombs which fell on Iraq (and killed inocents for no puprose of combating terorism) exploded in Madrid is the exact kind of thought the spanish gov. would rather not have.Comment
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Quite so, but it can't be denied in the long run...the government itself is revealing more info about these arrests and so on.
Indians. It's just that the original Spanish source tried to be PC (and failed, since "Indio" is academically the correct term for people from India, even in Spanish, even if not everyone knows that).....[SIZE=1] Originally posted by germanos
First arrest have been made: three maroccans and four Hindu's(?).
Unlikely indeed, but let's wait and see what these little birds sing (if anything)....ETA is getting highly unlikely...DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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I wonder what people who accused the Minister of hiding information and said that he would say nothing until Monday will say now...Originally posted by germanos
First arrest have been made: three maroccans and four Hindu's(?).
This is from a press conference made by the (spanish)Minister of Interiour, according to Dutch radio.
I still think that ETA probably offered support somehow.ETA is getting highly unlikely..."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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Would that be why there weren't any recent terracts in places like Indonesia and Turkey?wait a minute, this makes no sense. If Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with Saddam, why do you think that he's mad only at the countries that supported the war on Iraq, and not all the countries that want to destroy him? Al-Qaeda is certainly not after helping out the Ba'athists, but to kick out the infidel occupiers of Muslim lands.
Hindus?First arrest have been made: three maroccans and four Hindu's(?).
Do you mean Indians?
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And we all know this is crap in the least.The spanish who say the bombs which fell on Iraq (and killed inocents for no puprose of combating terorism) exploded in Madrid is the exact kind of thought the spanish gov. would rather not have.
The Moroccans were said to be related to a Moroccan extremist group, that has already been known to attack Spanish citizens in Morocco. I don't think it is connected with Al Qaeda.
The suspects "could be related to Moroccan extremist groups," the minister said. "But we should not rule out anything. Police are still investigating all avenues. This opens an important avenue."The attack's lethal coordination and timing — 10 explosions within 15 minutes — suggested al-Qaida. But the compressed dynamite used in the backpack bombs is an explosive favored by the Basque separatist group ETA.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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The arrests apparently were made over suspicions of the Moroccans and Indians being involved with falsification of a mobile phone card found by the unexploded bomb. No information at this point is given that they are suspected of being connected to the actual bombings.Comment
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About the Hindus:
FIVE people, including three Moroccans, had been arrested over the Madrid bombings, Spain's interior minister announced today, as grieving relatives said their final farewells to many of the 200 victims.
Two Spaniards of Hindu origin were also being questioned, but were not expected to be arrested, he said."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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